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Posted 01/15/2018   08:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Makanudo to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I would like your thoughts on this postcard.
It has embossed stamp as well as printed stamp on the back.
Why? and what did that mean.
As far as I could investigate, it is from 1897.
I bought it locally, but since I do not collectthe theme nor the country, I will probably sell it online.
What would be a fair fixed price in your oppinions?
Thanks!



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Posted 01/15/2018   09:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Eiger to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry I can't help, but I do love old postcards! I have a lovely one from Ceylon with a hand written letter. Good luck!
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Posted 01/15/2018   09:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Makanudo,

This is a regular postcard with additional overprints for use as a military "Fieldpost" card.

The basic card is from 1901 from a long numbered series with 384 different views.

As you say it has two stamps. The red printed stamp is for postage but the colourless embossed one represents the cost of the card.

The black overprints for military use were added around 1912/13.

It's a pity about the damage to the corner.


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Posted 01/15/2018   12:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bujutsu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Interesting this card came up in a posting as it is only the second time I have seen this one. I believe I posted the image in here a few years ago, but, since it showed up in this posting, I am attaching the image again. Mine is also an 'error' card which shows a dramatic shift with the overprint. What the eye cannot see in this image (but can be seen in yours) is that the embossing of the stamp image has also been shifted, very dramatically, but, the eye cannot see it in this image posted here. The embossing has shifted to the top left corner and above compared to the actual image. In measurement, the normal (visible) impression is 5 1/2 MM below the frame line and the embossed portion, which cannot be seen, is only 2 1/2 MM below the frame line.

I thought I would show this again for comparison.

Chimo

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Edited by Bujutsu - 01/15/2018 12:08 pm
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Posted 01/15/2018   12:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bujutsu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What I should add to this posting is that I cannot give an accurate value to the card. Believe it or not, I got mine in a dealer's box of assorted covers and cards at a dollar apiece. I am sure it is worth a lot more than that, but not necessarily a high amount. I would guess, in my opinion of course, if a dealer was aware of what the error was he / she would be selling for between $25.00-$50.00?? I state this because it is in the category of "Errors, Freaks & Oddities" (EFOs)
My 5 (Canadian) cents worth.

Chimo

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Posted 01/15/2018   12:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Makanudo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hey nigelc!

Yes it is rather pity about this fragment missing.
Thank you for all the info. You stated everything needed for accurately categorising a postcard.
Do you maybe know if it was meant for domestic or international travel. I do not know what were postage fees at the time in Greece?
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Posted 01/15/2018   12:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Makanudo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Eiger
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Posted 01/15/2018   12:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Makanudo,

I believe the Greek postcard rates in 1912/13 were 5 lepta for destinations in Greece and 10 lepta for foreign destinations.
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Nigel
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Posted 01/15/2018   1:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Makanudo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Chimo!

I am glad to see another specimen of this postcard. it is very nice double print. I wonder if the black overprint was hand stamped using manually operated machine, or it was done through printing press.
Your card seems to be in a better shape than my card.
I just bought the card yesterday and I havent owned or seen post cards with embossed stamps before, so thats what attracted me to buy it.

Cheers

Miki
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Posted 01/15/2018   1:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Makanudo to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So it was made for sending abroad... Interesting, since it depicts a mosk.
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Posted 01/15/2018   2:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add nigelc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The only mosque of the great architect Sinan to survive in Greece.

It looks in better shape now:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osman_Shah_Mosque
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Posted 01/16/2018   12:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bujutsu to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
To the best of my knowledge, these postcards were not hand stamped, but, don't quote me. I think that the overprint was 'printed' on by the publisher??

Chimo

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Posted 01/18/2018   05:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Eiger to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There's a listing on ebay for a Greek collectors entire collection (from an estate) it's going for around £19,500
But if you look at the images there's lot of these postcards .
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GREECE-AR...AOSwnONZDS6Q
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Posted 01/19/2018   11:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add funbaldguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Asking isn't getting...
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