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The New Brunswick 5c Connell Stamp

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Posted 01/30/2018   8:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add audetnelson1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
yes never sold to public or used in the mail.... like you I think its strange that stamp have a full scott number...
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Posted 01/31/2018   09:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Renden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
5P is a plate proof (Unitrade).re:...Sparks Auction

But New Brunswick # 5 does exist in Scott and Unitrade but specified as never issued. Wonder why ? He wanted his face on a New Brunswick stamp and got a number

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Posted 01/31/2018   11:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jarnick to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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yes never sold to public or used in the mail.... like you I think its strange that stamp have a full scott number...


And yet, the 1932 Newfoundland Wayzata, with similar history, is not Scott listed.
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Posted 01/31/2018   12:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Renden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
An example of a stamp, the German 507 overprinted 3pf, "a" Austria overprint, does not have a Scott # but is mentioned as having been prepared, not issued, but sold to collectors. Am sure it is mentioned Michel an valuated.


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Posted 01/31/2018   2:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Blaamand to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 01/31/2018   2:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I've wondered the same about this stamp - why it has a regular number.

One guess is that it was printed as ordered by the postal official - Connell. One can argue that it is an officially sanctioned printing, intended for issuance. A proof is never intended for issuance, and that distinguishes this from a proof.

That's my best guess.
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Posted 01/31/2018   3:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe it has to do with the American Bank Note Company printing his stamps and American Scott catalogue recognizing his audacity in having his portrait in place of the Queen's portrait. Sounds like some kind of republicanism versus monarchism may have had a role in it.

Consider that Connell apparently had little love for the trappings of the British monarchy, despite his father's possible loyalist sentiments. He was adamantly opposed to the establishment of the Anglican "King's" colleges, one in Ontario, one in Windsor, Nova Scotia and the progenitor of the University of New Brunswick at Fredericton. He wanted to have the last King's College closed. Premier Fisher, who had studied there, hoped King's would, in the course of time, evolve into a non-denominational institution. Connell, likely for religious reasons, was a supporter of Mount Allison. Of even greater embarrassment to his former Premier brother-in-law was his strong attempt to have a bill passed that would have the Lieutenant Governor of New Brunswick elected and not appointed by the Queen. So his anti-royalist sentiments were there for all to see.
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Posted 01/31/2018   4:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add archerg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think otherwise...

The reason it is listed is because dealers, who advise on pricing and listing, have far more input on catalogues than collectors.

Pricing sets a benchmark that allows the dealer to offer a discount to a buyer and still make money. Popular varieties and pre-production material make the catalogue because they can be marketed to stamp collectors and sold for a premium. The Connell is interesting enough to be collected but without a catalogue number it would sell for a fraction of its current market.
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Posted 01/31/2018   5:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Renden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think jogil has done a good summary of the situation of this New Brunswick never issued stamp, the # 5 Connell and history does show how he was hated in New Brunswick after his move, order of his stamp... etc...... for his personal stamp, but this Forum is too short to give you the history as viewed during those years.......and he lost his job as Post Master General of New Brunswick at the time. I would never invest in such a remnant of this stamp (the few ones circulating in Auctions and making $$$). He might have given a few sheets to his family.........he was from Hartland, N.B. !
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Posted 01/31/2018   6:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add CanadaStamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Are we 100% sure that none of these stamps actually got out? Where was distribution terminated? Was it at the printing plant, or NB postal HQ? Could some possibly have gotten to post offices and just not appeared yet?

Offering this as a possible explanation of its having been assigned a number.
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Posted 01/31/2018   8:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Gilles le timbre to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Never released...like the HooDoos world heritage of 2015, the Hannukkah booklets on 2017, which by the way I was able to buy a couple booklets and I am sure it will have its own number in Unitrade (or at least a letter beside the number...)
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Posted 01/31/2018   10:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BeeSee to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The reason it is listed is because dealers, who advise on pricing and listing, have far more input on catalogues than collectors.


British Columbia & Vancouver Island No. 1 is similar. It is a proof and should not be listed as a regular stamp in imperforate condition.
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Posted 02/11/2018   09:59 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with archerg. Dealers can usually influence catalogues and newspapers through their advisory board consultant roles and their advertising money so that they can usually get a lot more catalogue and news coverage for their philatelic discoveries than most stamp collectors. No matter how rare or important a philatelic item is, having a catalogue number for it can make a big difference and having a whole number only is better than having a whole number with a sub-letter.
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Posted 02/21/2018   8:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add audetnelson1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
just up my thread if someone see a connell for sale... just keep me informed fellow ! thanks
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Posted 02/21/2018   9:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Renden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Nelson, a link to a Seller I know well and who bought my Seaway Inverted (I think he owns 4)
So rare it is sold more than the Inverted (Seaway Canada)
Rene
https://www.garylyon.com/p-3217-new...swick-5.aspx
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