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Posted 02/17/2018   7:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add aug-stamps to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
After spending a few hours searching online, starting from http://stampsmarter.com/features/Fa...sicView.html up to the work of departed MR Weiss, reading various books (like NEW YORK FOREIGN MAIL CANCELLATIONS 1870,1876 by ARTHUR VAN VLISSINGEN and MORRISON WAUD available online in pdf format here http://www.collectorsclubchicago.or...ign-mail.pdf), and going through image processing with my loyal GIMP - which makes me believe it is a sort of a ship's wheel, I still can't figure out what cancellation is on my 1c bellow ...
So, please put me out of misery: what is it?


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Posted 02/17/2018   7:26 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
To me it looks like a normal killer cancel on a particularly mangled stamp.
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Posted 02/17/2018   7:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add SPQR to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

looks like an ordinary target killer
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Posted 02/17/2018   7:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, I agree. I see to circles in a black cancel I think.


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Posted 02/17/2018   8:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add aug-stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That's exactly what I initially thought. Then, I had a closer look and by using a stronger magnifier I found at least two clear black lines connecting the outer circle to the next inner one, all of them visible on the left side - equivalents of 7 and 10 o'clock.
Here are some images:


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Edited by aug-stamps - 02/17/2018 8:11 pm
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Posted 02/17/2018   8:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Agree with all previous commenters: a target cancel.
Very common, used in many places, so not identifiable to any specific town.
Not even considered a "fancy cancel" by most advanced collectors.
You are overanalyzing this stamp.
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Edited by John Becker - 02/17/2018 8:14 pm
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Posted 02/17/2018   9:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kollectorkurt to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is just a heavy-ink, worn bullseye (aka target). Solid center, two thick rings variety.
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Posted 02/17/2018   9:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add aug-stamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like I found it: I believe it is a cogwheel cancellation from the 1870s.
Below is one much clearer:



Thank you very much for your answers!
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Posted 02/17/2018   9:32 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Actually, that doesn't look anything like the cancel on the first stamp to me. The relative sizes of the elements is completely different.

I stand by my original assessment.
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Edited by revenuecollector - 02/17/2018 9:33 pm
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Posted 02/17/2018   11:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StateRevs to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Meh - cogless cogs.

The less successful business venture.

Anyone? Anyone?


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Posted 02/18/2018   08:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This does not match the cogwheel cancel on the 90c. I agree it's a relatively common target killer. With slips, smears, uneven inking and accumulated dirt in cancels, common cancels of the era can often look odd. Think of all the times we see faces in rock formations and suchlike. We can do that with indistinct cancels, too.

Here, the rings are too regular to be anything handmade and so must be a commercially-made killer. It's not perfectly round here as struck, but a slipped strike or a worn killer can account for that.

Be aware also that there are many more thousands of fancy cancels that are not in the Cole database.

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Posted 06/02/2018   5:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cutieonli610 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello all !! Good god browsing through the boards I'm came across the words " fancy cancel" lol well I guess I have some here's a pic I don't want to remove them but there's a few in just this 1 book
Went to bed at 6 am !! This is so addicting

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Posted 06/02/2018   6:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add m and m to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
well worn target cancel on a stamp that has led a hard life.
the modern issues are all standard strikes with nothing fancy about them.
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Posted 06/02/2018   7:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cutieonli610 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Oomg I know I just was reading and browsing on stampsmarter.com saying the same thing lol
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Posted 06/02/2018   7:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Fancy Cancel...the most overused/misused words in stamp collecting.
Mint and Jumbo running second and third.
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