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Rest in Peace
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Posted 03/19/2018   09:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add wert to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

But BNAPS is back up.

Robert



BACK UP NOW...
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Posted 03/19/2018   10:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Could just be his hosting or domain... Credit card expiration changes or something and it gets overlooked. It happens. Might be back.
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Posted 03/19/2018   10:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It would be very bad if all of the information on the website was not backed up and stored. Check for a cached version and contact its owner as soon as possible about this.
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Rest in Peace
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Posted 03/19/2018   10:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ya Bobbi..Both are back now...BNAPS to me anyways was down for a day, by Ralph's is back on line..THANK GOD...haha


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It would be very bad if all of the information on the website was not backed up and stored


Yes Jogil, but want is making me mad is Archived Canada not updating their stamp archive pages..You can only see front page and no details as you click the stamp.

I am thinking of calling them to complain.

Robert
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Edited by wert - 03/19/2018 10:18 am
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Posted 04/11/2018   12:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Brad905 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have been meaning to do that as well Robert. I use the information from Archived Canada all of the time in order to put details on my album pages. I will call tomorrow for sure!
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Posted 04/12/2018   11:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Brad905 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I did call Archived Canada today regarding all of the dead links for the stamps. I tried a number of extension but could not get hold of anyone. I have left a voice mail. They are supposed to get back to me within 1 day. I will let you know. For anyone else who would like to try, the number is:

Telephone: 613-996-5115 or 1-866-578-7777 (toll-free in Canada and the United States)

All the best,

Brad
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Posted 04/12/2018   11:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Brad905 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Archived Canada just called me back. They are no longer supporting it. Everything is gone.'

The good news story is I found it on the "Wayback Machine". You can hit the link here.

http://wayback.archive-it.org/9155/...S&Sect1=STMP

If you click on the picture, the old details come up. I would be interested to hear if other people are able to find this and use it.
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Posted 04/12/2018   11:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
wait-a-go Brad905

Robert
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Posted 04/12/2018   11:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Brad905 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It seems everything is there. You have to wait for the pictures to upload though.

Perhaps the RPS or BNAPS could take over the archiving of this site so as to ensure it preservation.

I think the area where this archive is most useful is from the 1960 to the present (I think the archive cut off was 2004). There is far more information on the stamp and the reason for the stamp than is offered up in the Unitrade Catalogue. This archive is actually pretty rudimentary for earlier issues.

Take the below entry for instance. There is a lot of details here that are great for a stamp right up. This will never make it into a catalogue or any other philatelic resource.



Postal Administration: Canada

Title: International Labour Organization, 1919-1969

Denomination: 6¢

Date of Issue: 21 May 1969


Printer/Quantity:
British American Bank Note Company
# issued: 30 700 000
Perforation: 12 x 12.5

Creator(s):
Designed by Julien Hébert
Picture engraved by George Arthur Gundersen

Historical Notice:
The International Labour Organization's continued endeavours to promote lasting peace through social justice are commemorated by a Canada Post Office stamp marking the 50th Anniversary of the Intergovernmental groups establishment in 1919. Emerging from peace settlements following the devastation of World War I, the I.L.O., created as part of the Treaty of Versailles on 11th April, has for its motto: "Poverty anywhere constitutes a danger of prosperity everywhere". The unique tripartie structure, embracing Governments, Employers and Workers, has proved to be a basis of strength which helped the organization to survive, even when the League of Nations dissolved after World War II. In 1946 the I.L.O. became the first major specialized agency to come under a new world body, the United Nations. Canada, one to the founding members and a staunch supporter through five decades, derives a near-paternalistic interest from the fact that Montreal was the seat of the I.L.O. through the years 1940-1947 when refuge was sought from war ravaged Europe. The year 1947 saw a re-establishment at the permanent headquarters in Geneva, Switzerland. The International Labour Conference, supreme authority of the I.L.O., meets annually; attending from each participating nation are four delegates, two as government representatives and one each from Employers and Workers. Representatives of Employers or Workers are not bound to present a united front with representatives of their own Government. In strength the I.L.O. has grown from a 1948 membership of 52 States to some 115; funds for an annual budget in excess of sixteen million dollars are provided through contributions by member States. Deliberations set international labour standards and provide a forum for the discussion of social and labour questions; forward-looking plans for the year long celebration of the I.L.O.'s Anniversary include the development of a World Employment Programme. An executive group of 48, the Governing Body, normally meets four times a year; this is composed of 24 representatives of Governments, 12 Employers and 12 Workers. Some writers have commented that Plato, 2500 years ago, attempted to clarify the concept of justice in the human society of his Greece of that era; his beliefs were that each individual should have conditions providing dignity and liberty, and that each individual should develop his talents for the benefit of the whole society. The Industrial Revolution, accelerated in the 19th Century, brought with it profound social changes which stirred the human conscience. In 1891 an international conference in Berlin, attended by 14 countries, considered the prohibition of work in mines by women and boys under 14, further suggestions called for the abolition of labour by children under 12; although unsuccessful in its immediate aims, the Berlin gathering led to a series of international conclaves, and eventually to establishment of the I.L.O. whose avowed objective is a universal and lasting peace based on social justice. The I.L.O. stamp issued by Canada is the creation of a distinguished Montreal designer, Julien Hébert, a native of Rigaud, Que. The Expo 67 Symbol, designed by Mr. Hébert, became familiar to millions of people in Canada and throughout the world; his impressive list of achievements in the design field include a suspended ceiling for the new National Arts Centre Opera House in Ottawa.
Canada Post Office Department. [Postage Stamp Press Release], 1969.
Source: POSTAL 0480

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Posted 04/12/2018   12:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wayback Machine simply steals everyone website without asking and ignoring all copyright laws. It also does not archive at server side pages or other 'active' content. And it is easy for a web developer to block their stupid bots and spider so a site does not get stolen.

No one should try to 'take over' the archiving of the original site unless they first get permission from the actual Archived Canada owners. If the owners are willing, I would be willing to hosting it on Stamp Smarter.
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Posted 04/12/2018   12:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add lithograving to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Brad905, thanks for the link to the "Wayback Machine".

I used the archive site for many years and was really disappointed when
it was no longer available.

The real bonus of the site was the production info it
had for some of the issues such as die proofs and colour proofs.





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Posted 04/12/2018   4:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Brad905 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi 51Studebaker,

Actually, the lady at the Canadian Archives suggested I try the Wayback Machine. She said that is what she is suggesting to everyone.

I find it a little frustrating that our National Archives have just unilaterally decided that Canadian philately is no longer worthy of archiving.
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Posted 04/12/2018   4:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Brad905 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Lithography,

When you see those proofs in that size, you really can appreciate the beauty of the stamp. I don't think I have ever really looked at the Quinquagenary anniversary of the formation of Alberta and Saskatchewan issue before. It is simple, but beautiful.
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Posted 04/12/2018   4:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Brad,
Understood, do you think she was speaking for the legal rights of the Government?

None-the-less, it does not change the fact the Wayback steals websites without permissions. Even worse, they do not secure the files once they have stolen them, many site have been lifted from them.

I am sure if people here had poured hundreds or thousand of man hours into developing a website they might understand a bit more. I have well over 4000 man hours in Stamp Smarter but I try to make it freely available to everyone anyway.

Some websites probably do not mind, but I know others do. Either way, they are still stealing without even asking. Linking/sending folks there is a bit like sending your family and friends to the wrong side of town and telling them to buy stolen items from a felon. <shrug>
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Posted 04/12/2018   4:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add EasyOne to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great bit of work Brad905. The original site was ideal for information and data.

Has anyone devised or found a way to find a particular year or stamp other than loading 200 items at a time in the order that "Way Back Machine" offers?

Don
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Posted 04/12/2018   5:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Brad905 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Don,

I get it. Even if you call it "archiving", without permission it is still "stealing".

I don't know if she was speaking for the government or not. I made a bit of a fuss with her and then she said check out the wayback machine.

I reached them through the phone number that is further up in this thread. If you would like to host it, I think you should talk to them. It is pretty awkward right now trying to find certain stamps.

Of course, those were just pictures of what the archives actually had in their possession. I did not think to ask her if they still had the actual items stored somewhere. I think when they closed the Canada National Philatelic Museum, they put everything in storage, but I am pretty sure I heard that they sold most of everything off.
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