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Argentina - 1918 - Sheet Watermark 'Serra Bond' And 'Wheatley Bond A & W Co./Hic Et Ubique'

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Posted 05/02/2018   2:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Blaamand to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Michel is listing the two mentioned Sheet watermarks used on the 'Unwatermarked' San Martin issue of 1918. However, no illustration is offered, which makes it awkward to identify the smaller fragments on each stamp.

For anyone curious, this image (not mine...) shows part of the 'SERRA BOND' watermark:



Now, I was hoping anyone can share images of the full watermarks? Would be very useful reference for my custom pages. Much appreciated.
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Posted 05/02/2018   3:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Blaamand to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
....and then I found images myself, my apologies for asking. Guess I can just as well share the images for anyone else interested:




http://foro.filateliaargentina.org/...3;1918#p6183
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Posted 05/02/2018   8:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Jon, thank you very much,
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Posted 05/07/2018   09:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Blaamand to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
On the subject of papermakers watermarks on stamps of Argentina.
I thought I might just as well share some more images I found after some searching.



'Lacroix Freres' can be found on 1867 Rivadavia issues, Michel #14a, 14b and 17, Scott #14-15-17

'STILLER & LAAS, BUENOS AIRES, LA UNION' can be found on 1889-90 Sarsfiel and Celman stamps, Mi#64 and 66, Sc#69-70.

Images of various Papermakers watermarks is typically something that is missing from general catalogs, not included in neither Scott or Michel . Will need the more specialized catalogs, but one cannot buy all the specialized catalogs out there. Luckily there are forums like this where people can share this kind of stuff. My sentiments to the Argentinian forum, where one of the members had generously shared on his forum in 2010.
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Posted 05/07/2018   09:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Renden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Jon, very interesting thread

René
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Posted 05/07/2018   1:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Blaamand to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, Rene!
Planning to start working on your Argentina collection?
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Posted 05/07/2018   3:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Renden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
306 stamps inventoried, Jon !!....and like Brazil...Watermarks galore!

René

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Posted 05/07/2018   4:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Blaamand to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
....and like Brazil...Watermarks galore!

Hahaha - yes, you can say that again! Both Argentina and Brazil takes a heavy toll on both the eyes and the stock of watermark liquid
I'm just about to finnish of making my custom Argentina pages and moving on to....Brazil
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Posted 05/07/2018   4:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Renden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Both Countries are interesting, history etc. You must know Brazil more than Argentina but watermarks are present and I try to collect unwatermk stamps

It will be fun to see your pages. I might do my own one of these rainy days and take the pages out of Vol. 1 of Scott - It is getting too voluminous .....and a friend from Seattle, WA, USA, is sending me "dups" from........Argentina

René
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Posted 05/07/2018   5:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rene,
just put Rowland aside for you
undisturbed gum.
Sc#465

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Posted 05/07/2018   5:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Renden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Beauty Rod !!
You know I like and collect S/S ssss

Thanks

René

And I like covers too !! NO Highjacking intention here, Jon



Rod,

Do you have this S/S from the UK ?
If not, I have 2....let me know
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Posted 05/08/2018   08:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Blaamand to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rene, no worries about hi-jacking the thread - any stamp related chatter welcome


Quote:
It will be fun to see your pages


Appreciate the curiosity! I take that as an invitation to share some, so here are the first of my custom pages fro Argentina. Unfortunately the jpg images generated from the Powerpoint slides are produced in quite a low quality, so I guess it's nest to impossible to read any of the information I've deliberately made in 'minimal-reading-font-size'. (It's fully readable when printed, tough!)

My pages are starting off with forerunners/siderunners for foreign Post Offices in Argentina/Buenos Aires and then followed by the various pre-dessecor Provinves/States (unlike Scott listing them after Argentina)






Then cracking on with Argentina itself...







Pages for official stamps are slotted in by chronological order among the regular issues. That¨s just my preference to try following a time-line rather than 'hiding' all that interesting stuff at the back of the book






Many will notice the pages have many similarities with Steiner. And indeed, I have finally followed many of you guys example to modify Steiner rather than make my won from scratch myself. It is saving some time with regards to getting the sizes of the boxes right but it also slows me down as I am using lots of time to shift around and give room for all the stuff that is not accomodated for by Steiner and/or Scott. Example given the various watermarks on the follwing pages are rudely covered in Scott






The Department official pages in Steiner seems to me troublesome to use as there was neither design or Wmk reference, so did some work on them to, whilst reducing the number of pages from 24 to 18.




In total I have added spaces for about 200 varieties not accomodated in Steiner whilst reduced the page count with 15 pages less. Looking forward to actually populating the pages - they will be quite sparsely populated I'm afraid but that doesn't bother me the least

Anyone interested in these pages on pdf pay $0.00

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Posted 05/08/2018   08:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Renden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great work, Jon !
You know I am interested in having a copy of your pages.....how to proceed (beginner's question) !!

René
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Posted 05/08/2018   10:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Blaamand to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Rene - pdf sent, check your email.
Good luck with the watermarks!!
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Posted 05/08/2018   12:04 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Renden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Jon, pages saved.
Doing some Brazil over again (watermarks not always easy !)on the A74-A75-A76 series....

René
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Posted 05/08/2018   3:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Renden to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So what should we discuss about Argentina.....the "Perron ara" ????? History tells us that many Countries passed through (even the "French") and left their mark (watermarks) and in the hope of having true "experts" chat with us a little.....
In a thread, there are passers-by (like me) and true " connoisseur".......we want them to Post !!!!

René
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