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GB 1847 6-D Embossed-Cv £18,000 ($23,700) Filler-Value ?.

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Posted 06/20/2018   2:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add dynamode to your friends list Get a Link to this Message

1847-54 6d purple (?) Embossed SG60. It appears to be unused with no gum. It has a watermark, which is reversed. The embossing is not great, its cut to shape and has faults. The 3rd scan shows it in watermark fluid.

The catalogue value is about £18,000 ($23,700 US). Its not a bad looker, with nice colour, but its a gap filler for sure.

I am looking to sell it. What percentage of catalogue do you think its worth in the real world ?.






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Posted 06/20/2018   4:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rdavid to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If it were mine, I would be satisfied with 8-10%
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Posted 06/20/2018   4:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGVIStamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
According to my 2013 Stanley Gibbons Catalogue, these stamps are normally priced for cut square stamps with normal embossing and gum. The watermark is normally found in every combination of inverted, reversed, and normal - so it is not a factor in the value.

The catalogue value listed for unused is £18,000.

Normally, this might be priced at 10-20% of catalog based on the lack of gum, the trimming, and the rough look of it.

However that is still a lot for a defective stamp - so it is really very hard to price.

If I owned it, I would probably send it to a reputable auction house in the UK. They would be most likely to find an interested collector.
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Posted 06/20/2018   4:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
1% of catalog would be good but more likely 1/2 of 1% . Around $100 to $200.00 .Most auction house don't want stamps in that condition in their catalogs .
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Edited by floortrader - 06/20/2018 4:34 pm
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Posted 06/20/2018   4:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dynamode to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
rdavid. So would I. Dont think its likely though.

KGVIStamps. I would never use an auction house. Too long to wait for the money. And if they go pear shaped, as has happened in a big way a couple times the last few years, the stamps and money are gone. Too risky for my liking. And the fees, considering the time you have to wait to be paid, are just plain daylight robbery.

I am under no illusions, I understand that SG catalogue values are normally just pie in the sky.

Floortrader. Haha. If you owned it you would not sell it for $100.
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Posted 06/20/2018   5:06 pm  Show Profile Check orstampman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add orstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Considering that classics in sound condition, VF centering without a certificate often sell for 25% of CV or less, if defective, I would be surprised if the sales price could be more than 5%, maybe closer to 2%.

And, yes, if it were mine to sell, I would be satisfied with 5%, and maybe would have to be satisfied with 2% or so.

Sorry, but the collectibility suffers from both cut to shape and faults, so I think it would be a tough sell. Also, I have been buying and selling stamps for more than 25 years, and believe I have a pretty good feel for this estimate.

On another note, I wish you best of luck in selling this, and HOPE you get better than what I think you will - I surely would be pleased with better!
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Posted 06/20/2018   5:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add KGVIStamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So if an auction house isn't used, where would you sell it?

ebay would sell it quickly with a low starting bid, and they might get a good price or it could sell for the opening bid. It just depends on who else is bidding.

I admit it will be a tough item to sell because of the high catalog value and the small group of possibly interested bidders.

I agree that a top auction house would not take it, but there are others that would take it.

Ultimately it depends on how much the seller needs the money and how quickly they need to get it.
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Posted 06/20/2018   5:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Does it have a cert?
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Posted 06/20/2018   6:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for your concern ,but I all ready got that stamp in the cut to shape form ,I don't need another .
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Posted 06/20/2018   6:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dynamode to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Guys.

I will repeat myself. I know its in poor shape and that its a gap filler. I know the value of it will be a small fraction of catalogue value. I am just trying to guage what that small fraction will be.

I dont want any arguments. Its a serious question put to the board for serious discussion.

floortrader calm down.

orstampman. I think you are probably about right.

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Edited by dynamode - 06/20/2018 6:47 pm
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Posted 06/20/2018   7:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I do not see anybody paying much without a cert given that a lot of these are floating around in old collections that were cut from the 6d embossed envelope that used the same die.
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Posted 06/20/2018   8:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
True rogdcam, but dynamode's third picture shows a VR watermark. I don't think the envelopes were watermarked in this way, but am happy to be incorrect on this point.
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Posted 06/20/2018   8:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dynamode to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bobby De La Rue. You are correct.

Can anybody tell the difference between this stamp and the real thing ?. This is a postal stationary cut out. The only difference is no watermark.

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Posted 06/20/2018   8:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
floortrader: Nice early GB stamp collection page.
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Posted 06/20/2018   9:19 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry. Did not see the watermark even with my beer goggles.
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Posted 06/20/2018   9:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rogdcam - never mind, I usually don't need the beer.....



Hi dynamode,

There are four dies for the 6d. The die number and the engravers initials are placed at the base of the bust ie: 1 W.W. to 4 W.W.

Die 1 is only known for stamps, dies 3 & 4 for postal stationery.
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