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Can Someone Explain This Cancellation On A Bohemia & Moravia Stamp?

 
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Posted 10/25/2018   5:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add pnjstamps to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Most of the stamps in my collection have circular date stamp cancellations. Can someone explain what this strange looking cancel is all about?



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Posted 10/25/2018   6:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
These numerals are found on packet cards.Why it's on the stamp I Don't know.


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Posted 10/25/2018   8:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Quite Common, postmarking the cards often hit the stamps.

Suggestion:
Perhaps on heavier articles, bulk stamps were placed in the cancel areas.

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Edited by rod222 - 10/25/2018 8:25 pm
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Posted 10/25/2018   9:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Those are called Bezirksstempel, or district stamps. I think have a catalog of them somewhere around here.
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Posted 10/25/2018   10:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Postmaster,
This one?

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Posted 10/25/2018   10:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod,

No I think I have a catalog of B&M cancels somewhere that includes them.
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Posted 10/25/2018   11:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add pnjstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks All. A quick Google search of 'Bezirksstempel' found an article from the Czechoslovak Philatelic Society of GB (http://www.czechout.org/large/99.pdf) that indicated that these cancels were used on money orders. And that the top number represents the area chief office (1 in this case represents Prague). Rod's explanation of how they end up on postage stamps seems reasonable. And now, knowing that there is a catalog of these somewhere, I have something else to search out and put aside.

Thanks again,

Joe



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Posted 10/26/2018   02:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Thank you Joe,
I had these as Parcel Cards, now revised to Money Order cards
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Posted 10/26/2018   2:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks! I had wondered about these for quite some time, because they are not shown in my resources and they do not appear on any of my covers or clippings. Yet, they turn up frequently in collections and mixtures.
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Posted 10/27/2018   12:04 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This is great information to tuck away.
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Posted 10/28/2018   11:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

BEZIRKSSTEMPELS
Examples on Austrian Mutilated Stationery.


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Posted 11/20/2018   9:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add PostmasterGS to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Finally found my reference for these. Here it is:


These are Bezirksstempel, or district cancels. They were introduced by the Reichspost in 1893 as a security stamp for financial transactions. For this reason, they are commonly seen on money orders, payment cards, and cash receipts. It was typically used as an off-stamp cancel, but they can sometimes be found on the accompanying stamps.

The size is typically 12.5-14mm wide by 14-15mm tall. Machine and handstamp versions exist.

The top number indicates the district.

1 = BZ-1 District, Prag (Prague)
2 = BZ-2 District, Pardubitz (Pardubice)
3 = BZ-3 District, Brünn (Brno)
4 = BZ-4 District, Troppau (Opava) -- converted to BZ-3 Brünn in the fall of 1940.

Of those pictured in this thread:

1/996 -- Pschestitz (P#345;eštice) -- known usage around 3 Dec 40
2/70 -- Böhmisch Bela (#268;eská B#283;lá) -- 15 Mar 39 to 7 Jun 42
3/82 -- Brünn 12 (Brno 12) -- 3 Sep 40 to 31 Nov 42
?/354 -- need the district number
1/37 -- Klattau (Klatovy) -- 8 Sep 39 to 27 Jun 44
4/250 -- Mährisch Ostrau 8 (Ostrava 8) -- around 19 Sep 40
4/140 -- Mährisch Ostrau 6 (Ostrava 6) -- around 10 Sep 40
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Posted 11/21/2018   02:01 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well done,
thank you Postmaster.
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Posted 11/21/2018   11:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everybody for this information ,I plan to write up a page or two with the above explanation and file it in my B & M and Austria albums ,good reference points.
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Posted 11/21/2018   1:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am wondering if the Bezirksstempel on the Hitler stamps posted by rod are not just
philatelic bogus markings made after the fall of the III Reich.What postal clerk would
take the chance of marking the stamps when an area is provided for the Bezirksstempel in
the card ?
The first document is from Holland.






1945 postal order on/for 40RM sent to Vienna, with Pof.92, CDS SKUHROV / 23.III.45


2, 5 und 20 K. Freimarken auf Auslands-Postanweisung ab PRAG 8.1.44 nach Tilburg in Holland über 375,94 Gulden = 5.000 Kronen, OKW-Zensur mit Bandstempel vs., Ankunft Tilburg 19.1.44 und allen weiteren Auszahlungsvermerken rs.

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Edited by perf12 - 11/21/2018 3:05 pm
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Posted 11/21/2018   6:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rich60 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting topic. I have been collecting B&M stamps and Germany for years and don't think I have ever come across one of these. Something I will watch for now - thanks for sharing.

Rich
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