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Lighthouse Or Lindner Hingeless Album?

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Posted 11/19/2018   3:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add crusherjc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not another option! lol. Yes I know schaubek make one, the scott/schaubek hingeless. Is that the one your talking about? I havent looked into it though...
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Posted 11/19/2018   3:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I currently have my early US collection mounted in a Schaubek hingeless and will be moving it into something else. The quality is just not there. I have had several mounts break while placing stamps in them. The vinyl binder just does not feel high quality. The page stock is nice but other than that I am looking for a something of much better quality.
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Posted 11/19/2018   3:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dutchman1948 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have had the same problems with Davo, and Lighthouse as well.

None are perfect.
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Posted 11/19/2018   4:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am thinking about salvaging a vintage album. I handle quite a few breaking down large lots and the quality/construction back in the day was amazing. The hunt will require patience. I want one that was lovingly cared for. They have great character. Even the old stockbooks. Marbled endpapers, metal corners etc.. Beautiful. Of course it would not be hingeless but for me the trade off is worth it.
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Posted 11/20/2018   12:16 pm  Show Profile Check gmot's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add gmot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Agree there is no perfect album out there. Palo is good, but I'd like the paper a little heavier and the binders a little nicer. Lighthouse the paper is good, but on occasion the mounts are misaligned/stuck slightly, and their choices for what varieties to include is sometimes questionable. And etc. for other brands.

Ultimately have to choose one where you're comfortable with the 4 main qualities of albums - Quality, Aesthetics, Flexibility and Price. How you prioritize those qualities is of course up to individual preference...
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Posted 11/20/2018   7:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add GregAlex to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I collect obscure taxpaid revenues, which are similar in size to banknotes, so the Lindner currency album works well for me. However, I've been having a hard time finding a U.S. supplier for additional pages, since shipping from Europe isn't very cost effective. Can anyone point me to a U.S. dealer?
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Posted 11/20/2018   8:32 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 11/20/2018   9:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dutchman1948 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Palo and Subway also sell them
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Posted 11/21/2018   08:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add svensson to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Also, note that Palo is having a Black Friday sale that is 15% off, site-wide I believe so it would apply to Lindner as well.
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Posted 11/21/2018   9:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add GregAlex to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply



Very close! I was looking for the 3-pocket, but I went to the site and they do have them. The only problem is that the least expensive shipping option is Priority Mail, and for $12 it's not much different than international rates.

I'll check out the Palo site next. Thanks to everyone for the information!
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Posted 11/22/2018   01:17 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DrewM to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No one has mentioned Scott albums, but I think on balance they are the best value available today.

Lighthouse makes excellent albums, even noting the occasional misplaced mount mentioned here, but they are awfully expensive, hundreds of dollars per volume. I'd rather spend on stamps. Their page layouts are so simplified with little to no identifying information about the stamps that it's almost as if they were blank pages. I really like more information on an album page -- date, stamp subject matter, maybe perfs if relevant, and perhaps other information about colors and so on where useful. It should not just be stamps on a page and nothing more -- or how do we know what we're even looking at? But LH albums are really beautiful, so there's always that, probably the best looking of all albums.

Lindner I've never liked much because they use an enormous amount of vinyl to house the stamps. I really hate vinyl instead of paper which is far more elegant. Also because of the heavy vinyl pages they use, Lindner albums are very heavy to the point of absurdity. I have many Lindner albums, and I find even picking them up unpleasant. Did I mention all that vinyl? Yikes!

Safe albums have that weird vinyl page over a regular page for collecting mind and used. But I don't collect that way, and there again is the heavy vinyl page issue that bothers me. Their approach to albums is a concept I just don't like.

Schaubek albums are a somewhat more affordable Lighthouse-like album with very good layouts and good page printing. But I really don't like the slits in their pages which are enormous. The Lighthouse page slits (to permit the pages to bend easily) are narrow and not intrusive. The ones Schaubek uses are much wider and seem really over the top and, for me anyway, they detract from the page. My reaction to them, anyway, and you may not be bothered at all. They do have very good looking pages, at least as good as LH. One advantage of Schaubek albums is that their blank pages are extremely affordable, cheaper than LH and cheaper even than similar numbers of Scott pages -- which surprised me.

Davo albums are very good but only available in their 2-post style. No springback or ring binder albums. Their paper is blazingly white which I don't much like. But they're priced a little less expensively compared to LH and Lindner. The company is very easy to deal with, too, as I've purchased pages directly from them in the Netherlands. Still, a set of volumes covering a single country is likely to cost $1000 or more. I just can't justify prices like that for multiple countries.

Mystic's U.S. album is decent but I'm not a big fan of three-ring binders. To me, they look cheap, schoolboy-ish and their effect on the pages is not good as the three rings wear the pages faster than more rings will. And they're not particularly cheap, either. For 3-ring binder albums, I'd expect the price to be well below what they charge.

For me, Scott albums have the best balance of what I want. Scott makes attractive pages with good layouts, nice borders (I prefer fancy borders over just lines), good layouts, some identifying information, and they can be used in either the Scott 3-ring binder (not a big fan of these) or the 2-post style which I prefer. Scott pages rarely cost more than a few hundred dollars for an entire country which is a flat-out bargain compared to LH, Lindner, Schaubek, Davo, etc. It's hard not to like a well-designed album that sells at such an affordable price.

That's why I use mostly Scott album pages for the 30 or 40 (but who's counting?) countries I collect in separate albums. To do the same with albums from a publisher like LH would cost me well beyond $25,000 just for albums. That would be beyond absurd. Scott doesn't have hingeless for for most (all?) albums, so you have to add your own mounts. I'm willing to do this, but I'd like a hingeless option as with LH and the others. So that's a drawback, but one I can live with. With Scott, I get good looking pages in nice binders, regular supplements. And no vinyl pages. Did I mention how much I hate vinyl pages?
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Posted 11/22/2018   07:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add angore to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Drew,

For the Mystic albums, are you referring to the hingeless line using the better binder or the regular line? I agree the standard binder/slip cases are over priced but the upgraded binder looks a lot better and priced almost the same. Yes, they are 3 ring but the advantages of 3 ring gives many options.

I would not invest all that money in a propriety format where you pay a lot for supplements.
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Posted 11/22/2018   11:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add dutchman1948 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Drew

You are comparing hingeless albums to Scott which is standard. Davo, Schaubek, as well as lighthouse all make standard pages.

I have all including Scott and if you had to put mounts in, your cost for Scott also increases drastically, as well as the time involved, especially if a lot of souvenir sheets are involved.

I don't disagree with anything you have said and one thing missed is Lighthouse and Lindner have both over the years cut way back on which countries they will continue with leaving some collectors with having to change or continue with another brand.

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Posted 11/22/2018   3:52 pm  Show Profile Check gmot's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add gmot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Palo are also available in both regular and hingeless pages (colour and black&white both are available). The regular pages are one-third the cost, if my memory serves right. So definitely cheaper initially, if you don't mind the time and work involved in adding your own mounts. I do, so the added price of Lighthouse/Palo hingeless albums is worth it.

Going with any vendor does run the risk of them discontinuing their product, of course. That's one thing that worries me a bit about Palo, but on the other hand, nothing is for certain, and I like their products now, so that's good enough. Also helps if you don't collect new issues, since don't have to worry about new yearly supplements being continued by that vendor.
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Posted 11/22/2018   8:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add DrewM to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, Scott album pages come only without mounts. Lighthouse, Schaubek, Davo, etc. come either way you want them. You can buy them with mounts or without. I'm comparing brands of albums, not hingeless or non-hingeless versions of albums, just albums. If you want an album with mounts, clearly you aren't going to buy Scott pages. If you don't mind adding your own mounts, though, you can include Scott. But if you must have mounts, then you're not going to buy Scott albums. Simple.

After a few years of going back and forth about which brand of album I should commit to using, I finally settled on Scott album pages because, first of all, they look very good, as good as the other brands, in my opinion, and better than some. My favorite of the other brands is Lighthouse. But LH's page layouts are also pretty empty and uninformative. What's the problem with giving some information about each stamp or set of stamps? Scott does. Schaubek's layouts are nice, too. Davo pages are also pretty empty. I own dozens of Davo albums for different countries, purchased a while back when I was enthusiastic about Davo. They are very good albums, but my enthusiasm has cooled somewhat (replaced by Scott) due to the emptiness of their pages, the high cost of their annual supplements, and the many, many volumes needed just to complete each country. I'll probably sell them off on ebay.

Scott albums are much less expensive, by a wide margin, compared to all the other brands.

Scott's annual supplements aren't extremely expensive. For most countries, Scott supplements are about $10-15 yearly. Supplements for the other brands are many times as expensive. I did not want to lock myself into expensive annual purchases of dozens of supplements for my dozens of albums.

As for binders, I've never liked springback binders much so they're not a concern. I'm ambivalent about multiple-ring binders sold by Schaubek, Lighthouse, and others. I can take them or leave them. I have a few Schaubek ring binders and a lot of Marini (Italian) ring binders which are very nice, all 22-ring binders which look much better to me than standard schoolboy 3-ring binders. On the whole, I prefer 2-post albums. Maybe I'm just an old-fashioned guy, but that's what I like albums to look like. Since all of these brands sell 2-post binders, I didn't see any reason to purchase the other brands just on the basic of their binders. Scott does punch their pages for 3-rings for which they sell two sizes of 3-ring binders. But I don't use them. Their pages are also punched for their 2-post binders which I prefer. I do like Scott's smaller 3-ring binder which isn't as "schoolboy" as normal 3-ring binders. I've thought of putting a few countries into them. But they only hold 100 pages each, so that would get expensive fast. The 2-post binders are larger and hold 200+ pages each which is much more economical. The other larger 3-ring binder Scott sells holds maybe 250 pages -- but it's a beast, too big for me to deal with. And those enormous rings! Not for me, thank you.

For me, Scott pages fit the bill on all counts -- except not having mounts. But I use a mixture of hinges for used stamps and mounts for mint stamps, so I don't really need an album filled with mounts. Most of those mounts would end up filled with used stamps which seems a bit silly to me. I like hinges.

As for Mystic's album with mounts, it's certainly much better than their other album without mounts. I'm still not a fan of 3-ring binder albums, though. My preference and your preference may differ. That's been my main issue with Steiner print-yourself pages which generally end up in regular 3-ring binders. It's very economical do do that, but the resulting album just does not appeal to me. However, printing Steiner's layouts on the larger-sized Scott blank album pages makes them much more appealing to me. They look like "real" album pages. Now, if Steiner's page borders were just a bit more elegant, I'd really like them. But they're good enough. I use some Steiner pages (printed on Scott-size paper) to supplement my Scott album pages in some albums. They're perfectly fine.

I've never used and don't own any Palo albums. They're basically a somewhat fancier version of Steiner pages printed on larger paper with a different hole punch (so you have to use their binders). Nothing wrong with that, but they're so much more expensive than Steiner pages, I just can't justify using them. For me, a lot of the decision comes down to what I can afford.

As for Mystic, everything Mystic sells is overpriced from stamps to supplies. To me, Mystic's U.S. album with mounts seems awfully expensive for what it is. I couldn't justify paying that much for a U.S. album. I'll stick with my Scott National album, thank you very much. Even without mounts -- which I add whenever I need them. Easy enough to do.
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