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2 Cent Washington Scott 453??? Type I

 
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Posted 01/15/2019   10:32 am  Show Profile Check 3193zd's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add 3193zd to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
So this one is dated earlier than my other topic scott 492 so it couldn't be the same stamp.I assume scott 453 type I. Also the paper is softer as seen by the printing detail on the this stamp. Fuzzier not as sharp. what I am confused by, is again, no second shading line in the left ribbon but one in the right. Also the lines that should be strong on typIII, are very weak.






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Posted 01/15/2019   11:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Al E. Gator to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You images are not sharp enough to be sure; need sharper focused images to confirm the type.
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Posted 01/15/2019   11:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'd agree. I've been staring at it and can't pin it down yet. Maybe get a clear scan of the nose/lip area and hair near the top of the head. The edges, perfs, and cancel are also a bit suspicious. A possible speculation might be a 528B with perfs cut off and a fake cancel, but that seems pretty farfetched.
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Posted 01/15/2019   12:19 pm  Show Profile Check 3193zd's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
so originally I took photos with my phone and a magnifying lens. This is the image scanned at 700 resolution. As I stated very blurry.

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Posted 01/15/2019   12:20 pm  Show Profile Check 3193zd's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
this is not a offset print.
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Posted 01/15/2019   2:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add ClassicPhilatelist to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think this is faked in any case.
If you look closely at the bottom of the stamp in image 2 it looks like the bottom line is not straight enough to have been cut by the strippers. There also appear to be 2 or 3 traces of visible dots in the paper (where perfs were not entirely removed, in an attempt to keep the height correct). This could have been a top sheet natural straight edge. It looks much more like a 499 (CV 25 cents) that has been altered, and then applied to the cover, which has also been altered. I've not seen that flag cancel with the "broken" cancellation in it like this.
The lines of the heavy cancel don't match the thickness of the lines in cancellation on the cover.
The perfs look altered on the right and on the lower left as well, so more likely a 499 in an attempt to look like a more valuable coil stamp which are constantly fake. A 453 on cover would have a CV of $30, so a big profit from a 25c stamp... (Note that CV of a MNH 499 is 75 cents, so "fake away" with little cost invovled.)
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Classic, Are you too fast to condemn? The stamp here is perf 10. 499 is perf 11. An unlikely starting candidate for the fakery you suggest.
The curvature in the 2nd and 3rd photos are artifacts of the closeness and the lens.
I believe the cover is entirely un-tampered and the canceling machine had a hiccup, probably jamming on another piece of mail.
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As best I can tell by the image of the right ribbon, I think I'm seeing two lines (one weakly) which would make this on a #455.
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Posted 01/15/2019   5:22 pm  Show Profile Check 3193zd's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 3193zd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Gator, yes again I agree it seems to be very faint shading lines which is odd for this stamp. usually strong and bold. I never had to look through a magnifying glass determine a type III. It usually jumped out at you. If you took just the toga button and top line and compared to other tyIII you would think type I. But when you look at the whole picture the spot under the ear and cheek line with the faint 2nd ribbon line you have to assume TyIII. Just odd that the stamp isn't dry or lightly printed, but that some of the key lines to determining a tyIII, are so faint.
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Posted 01/15/2019   5:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Al E. Gator to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Others, with better knowledge of the process may chime in, but one possibility is perhaps the image wasn't rocked into the plate as deeply/firmly on some impressions as others. And there are probably other reasons for it. I have seen strong, weak and in between strikes.
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