Help With India Stamps

I found a page of these, can't locate in Scott.
Are these possibly Indian revenue stamps?
If there are Scott #'s I'd like to know, any values too?
Thanks.

There is only one cut square postal issue. The one anna yellow ovalcut from a piece of postal stationary. The others all appear to possibly be government revenue or tax stamps.

Unfortunately all the top ones are cut off at bottom? as well as the 1r appears cut and joined or creased.

That is a neat dater stamp on the long green 4a.

All these are used upper halves of British India telegraph stamps which remained on the sender's receipt part and the lower halves remained on the telegraph forms, mostly F.C.-1/T.-14 Receipt and Transit Forms retained by the telegraph offices.

1. Br. India 1890 1A Vic. turquoise green telegraph stamp (SG T42) with INDIA crown watermark and perf.14

This is SG T42 and not 1904 1A SG T56 which had similar upper half as the cancel year indicates.

2. Br. India 1890 4A Vic. deep gray (SG T44)/less likely 1904 4A EVII deep gray blue telgraph stamp (SG T58) with INDIA crown watermark and perf.14 with Kalbadevi Combined Post and Telegraph Office of Mumbai

3. Br. India 1890 8A Vic. cinnamon telegraph stamp (SG T45) with INDIA crown watermark and perf.14 again because of the Mumbai TO cancel year slug

4. Br. India 1904 2R EVII brown orange telegraph stamp (SG T61) with INDIA crown watermark and perf.14

5. ibid but with Mumbai cancel

6. Br. India 1891 5R Vic. orange brown (SG T42)/less likely 1904 5R EVII orange brown telegraph stamp (SG T62) with INDIA crown watermark and perf.14 with Mumbai cancel

7. Br. India 1891 10R Vic. bluish green (SG T49)/less likely 1904 10R EVII bluish green telegraph stamp (SG T63) with INDIA crown watermark and perf.14 with Mumbai cancel

1. Br. India 1868 4A Vic. sage green special adhesive stamp on white paper with India globe watermark and perf.14 with fiscal cancel dt. August 27,1895

2. Br. India 1868 1R Vic. flesh special adhesive stamp on white paper with India globe watermark and perf.14 with large blind cancel (more clearly visible from the back), typically used on Br. India special adhesives

A special adhesive stamp in India by definition is a type of fiscal stamp used on plain paper to make it equivalent to judicial or non-judicial stamp paper, after notarization.

This is a cut-square from Br. India 1899 1A ovpt. on 1893 2A6P Vic. yellow orange on white laid paper envelope (Higgins and Gage B7/Lang EK2) (14.6cm×8.3cm) with Lang knife type 9, issued in August 1899.

Postmark: It is the cds (dt. September 24,1901 6 p.m.) of Phillaur Sub PO (est. 1842), located in Phillaur (31.0131°N 75.7895°E), now in Jalandhar district of Pañjab.

Phillaur SPO functioned under Jalandhar Head PO cum Disbursing Office in Ambala Division of Pañjab Circle (HQ Lahaur) (created 12/1860) till 1872 when it got transferred to Ambala Railway Division and thereafter to Ludhiyana Division in 1874.
In 1883, it was converted to a Combined Post and Telegraph Office.

This cds type with hour slugs was introduced in 1897 to selected HPOs/SPOs, replacing the datestamps with district name, previously allotted in 1893.

This is Br. India 1903 1A EVII apricot revenue stamp with perf.14, with manuscript fiscal cancelation. (color shade in the photo here does not appear the same)

Thanks Joy, your knowledge is invaluable.
Do any of these hold any value?

Joy, I have to ask since I have not seen them before. You state that one half is still on the other part. Were they cut or rouleted? And is the other side as large as what is shown?

Additional Information:
Both Br. India India 1890 Vic. telegraph stamps (size: 4.8cm×1.8cm) and 1904 EVII telegraph issues (4.8cm×1.4cm) were printed by Thomas de la Rue and Company, London, England in typography on white wove paper in sheets of 80 arranged in 2 panes of 40 (10×4).

Plate Registration Details of Br. India Telegraph Stamps
1890 1A: Current No.366/Plate No.4/Reg. Date 03.06.1890.

1890 4A: Current No. 368/Plate No.5/Reg. Date 04.10.1890.

1890 8A: Current No.362/Plate No.7/Reg. Date 03.06.1890.

1890 5R: Current No.372/Plate No.4/Reg. Date 04.10.1890.

1890 10R: Current No.380/Plate No.5/Reg. Date 07.24.1890.

1904 4A: Current No.68/Plate No.1/Reg. Date 02.21.1903.

1904 8A: Current No.47/Plate No.1/Reg. Date 12.06.1902.

1904 2R: Current No.85/Plate No.1/Reg. Date 06.08.1903.

1904 5R: Current No.79/Plate No.1/Reg. Date 03.26.1903.

1904 10R: Current No.81/Plate No.1/Reg. Date 04.08.1903.

@No1philatelist



Here are the some of the respective complete Br. India telegraph stamps without any perforation or roulette.

Br. India 1890 1A SG T42



Br. India 1890 4A SG T44



Br. India 1890 8A SG T45



These telegraph stamps were afflixed on telegraph form in designated place so that the upper halves remained on the sender's receipt form parts and the lower in the message forms which were retained by the telegraph offices and subsequently destroyed (hence is the scarcity of the lower halves) vide Para. 6 of the Telegraph Department Notification dt. December 22,1868 issued by Daniel George Robinson, Director-General of Telegraphs in India (1865-77) in Kolkata.



The receipt and message form parts with telegraph stamps were cut with scissors, thus cutting the stamps in more or less transversely along the center.

Here is an example of upper halves of telegraph stamps on sender's receipt used at Karachi Central Telegraph Office.

Sender's Receipt Form No. FA, introduced in December 1,1883



References:
1. The Postage and Telegraph Stamps of British India.
Leslie Leopold Rudolph Hausburg, Charles Stewart-Wilson and Charles Stanhope Foster Crofton.
The Philatelic Society of India, Kolkata and Stanley Gibbons Limited, London, England 1907
Part II: Telegraph Stamps
Section V: The Single-Headed Issue and Two Rupees Provisionals; pp.179-82
Section VI: The Edwardian Issue and the Provisionals of 1904; pp.183-5
Reference List; pp.187-8
Appendix B: Tables of de la Rue Plates
B: Second Series of Plates, for Indian Stamps Only; p.214
C: Third (King's Head) Series; p.215

2. Stamps of India.
Jal Manekji Cooper.
private, Mumbai 1951 2nd Ed.
Chapter XVI: Telegraph and Revenue Stamps; pp.181-2

3. The Encyclopedia of British Empire Postage Stamps 1775-1950 (Vol.III: The Empire in Asia).
Ed. John Harry Robson Lowe.
Robson Lowe Limited, London, England 1951
Part II: South Central Asia
Chapter III: India
(l) Telegraph Stamps; pp.197-8

4. Billig's Philatelic Handbook (Vol.XXXIX).
HJMR and Company, Hollywood, USA n.d.
Part II: South Central Asia
Chapter III: India
(l) Telegraph Stamps; pp.197-8

5. Stamps of India.
Jal Manekji Cooper.
private, Mumbai 1968 3rd Ed.
Chapter XVI: Telegraph and Revenue Stamps; pp.137, 139

6. A Specialized Priced Catalog of Indian Stamps (1852-1970).
Ed. Jal Manekji Cooper.
private, Mumbai 1971
Telegraph Stamps; pp.106-7

7. India Punches, Dies and Plates.
Ed. Derek Lang.
India Study Circle for Philately, Eastleigh, England 1984
Part 1: The Punch and Registration Books etc.
Section 4: Telegraph Stamps
Extracts from the Registration Book for India Telegraph Stamps; pp.55-6

8. The Silver Key to the Golden Treasure of Indian Philately.
Manik Jain and Shriballabh Kothari.
Philatelia, Kolkata 1986
Chapter XXI: Telegraph Stamps of India; p.160

9. Indian Telegraphs (1851-1914) Philatelic and Operational History of Indian Telegraphs.
Ilyas Ahmad Patel and Dhanañjay Shantilal Desai.
Desai and Company, Ahmadabad 1995
Chapter V: Telegraph Stamps
Third Series 1890 (Single Headed Series); pp.140-1
Fourth Series 1904 (Edward VII Series); p.142
Annexure 5.2: Tables of de la Rue Plates; pp.159-60

10. The Imperial Post Offices of British India (1774-1914) (Vol.II).
Mohinilal Majumdar.
Philatelia, Kolkata 1999
Part VI: The Philately: Postage Stamps and Stationery
Chapter XXV: The Telegraph Stamps Issue; pp.452-4

11. Telegraph Stamps of the World.
Ed. John Barefoot.
John Barefoot Limited, York, England 2013
India; pp.71-2

12. Phila India 2015-16 Stamp Guidebook (1800-2015).
Ed. Manik Jain.
Philatelia, Kolkata 2015
Telegraph Stamps; p.43

13. Philcent India 2016-17.
Ed. Premchand Jayaswal.
Philcent Publications, Kolkata 2016
Telegraph Stamps, Covers and Forms; p.21

14. Stanley Gibbons Stamp Catalogue India 2018.
Ed. Hugh Jefferies.
Stanley Gibbons Limited, Ringwood, England 2018 5th Ed.
Telegraph Stamps; pp.166-7

@doodah12



The latest valuations of Br. India telegraph stamps are in SG Stamp Catalog India 2018 5th Ed. (Barefoot's "Telegraph Stamps of the World" revised 2nd Ed. is on the cards in 2019).

It must be mentioned that valuations of Br. India telegraph stamps in SG and Barefoot should be taken with shovels of salt.

The following SG CVs are for used upper halves (used lower halves are way scarcer).

SG T42 £1.50
SG T44 £1.00
SG T45 £1.00
SG T48 £2.50
SG T49 £3.50
SG T58 £8.00
SG T59 £8.00
SG T61 £2.50
SG T62 £11.00
SG T63 £12.00

Unfortunately, given the condition, the stamps here have minimal value.

As our Ugly Patriarch tonymacg likes to say "Don't retire on these".

doodah12, is there any chance to get thanks?

https://goscf.com/t/64332#571696

And where is SCF police Don/51studebaker?
This thread should have been moved to the following forum.

https://goscf.com/f/29

Cross Reference of Other Catalog Numbers of Br. India Telegraph Stamps

1890 1A: SG T42/Hiscocks 42/Barefoot 35/Yvert et Tellier 19/Lowe T28/Cooper T23/Philcent TG29

1890 4A: SG T44/Hiscocks 44/Barefoot 37/Y&T 21/Lowe T30/Cooper T25/Philcent TG32

1890 8A: SG T45/Hiscocks 45/Barefoot 38/Y&T 22/Lowe T31/Cooper T26/Philcent TG32

1890 5R: SG T48/Hiscocks 48/Barefoot 41/Y&T 25/Lowe T34/Cooper T29/Philcent TG35

1890 10R: SG T49/Hiscocks 49/Barefoot 42/Y&T 26/Lowe T35/Cooper T30/Philcent TG36

1904 4A: SG T58/Hiscocks 58/Barefoot 51/Y&T 34/Lowe T46/Cooper T41/Philcent TG45

1904 8A: SG T59/Hiscocks 59/Barefoot 52/Y&T 35/Lowe T47/Cooper T42/Philcent TG46

1904 2R: SG T61/Hiscocks 61/Barefoot 54/Y&T 37/Lowe T49/Cooper T44/Philcent TG48

1904 5R: SG T62/Hiscocks 62/Barefoot 55/Y&T 38/Lowe T50/Cooper T45/Philcent TG49

1904 10R: SG T63/Hiscocks 63/Barefoot 56/Y&T 39/Lowe T51/Cooper T46/Philcent TG50

Joy, wow, thank you very much for this enlightening information. I was unaware of them being cut in half, and the ident part (telegraphs) attached to the office receipt. I am used to the North American telegraph style issued stamps.

Had that been on upper part they would have been easier identifiable to general collectors. Actually I think it would have made the owners receipt more collectable with the portrait and value on it.

Mike

There is reason why the India telegraph stamps from 1890 did not have head profile in the upper part of the stamps.

The first dedicated telegraph stamps of Br. India i.e. the 1869 series were issued with double-headed design.

Br. India 1869 1R Vic. die II ash typograph telegraph stamp (SG T9)



But it was later found out (no racial typication comments welcome) that some ingenuous persons reused the upper halves of double-headed telegraph stamps accidentally escaping cancelation or lightly canceled examples (after cleaning off the cancels) lifted from telegraph receipt forms.

Because of the similarity in design of both halves of the 1869 issues, 2 separate upper halves of the same denomination were affixed on telegraph message form so that the cut out edges (trimming was done where necessary) match perfectly which often escaped the notice of the busy telegraph clerks.

It was only in 1889, H Mallock, Director-General of Telegraphs in India (1889-90) after assuming the post of DG, proposed new designs of telegraph stamps with strikingly different upper halves to help to detect and stop the defraud which thus resulted the issue of the new single-headed telegraph stamps from 1890 onwards.

Yes, thanks again Joy for your help on this other stamp, always appreciated!