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US Inter. Rev. 2c With Grill??

 
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Posted 03/07/2019   03:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add LordInVader to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello,
I found this curiosity and wanted to know whether revenue stamps like this were ever given a grill like this?
Or is this a type of cancellation?
It looks unused otherwise.
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Posted 03/07/2019   03:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is an embossed cancel.
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Posted 03/07/2019   08:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This type of embossing was frequently used over signatures on checks. If the stamp happened to be placed near that area, it got embossed as well.
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Posted 03/08/2019   05:46 am  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I've always called this style a "waffle" cancel.
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Posted 03/08/2019   08:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BattleshipRB23 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am dying to find an illegally used RB23 battleship proprietary revenue with a "waffle"/"embossed" cancel or some sort of "cut" cancel on it... most unlikely that I will ever find one due to the RB23 being a 5/8 cent denomination... much more likely that an ill-used 1 or 2 cent or higher denominated proprietary battle have had such a cancel bestowed on them.
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Posted 03/08/2019   11:52 am  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
BattleshipRB23, that is going to be very, very tough. You can find the documentary battleships used illegally as postage on covers relatively easily. The proprietary battleships are much, much less common, and the fractional denominations are virtually impossible to find. Add to that the requirement that it be waffle canceled, and I would say it doesn't exist, as the waffle cancel was used exclusively on checks, where the 5/8 cent denomination wouldn't make sense to have been affixed... actually ANY illegal use of RB23 would be scarce as hen's teeth.

Regarding illegal use of proprietary battleships, in totality I have seven: RB21 used as postage on cover, RB24 on cover, RB24p on cover, two examples of RB27 on cover, a first-day-of-tax usage of RB27p on a check, and a block of 4 of RB28 used as documentaries paying 10 cents tax on a marriage license.
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Posted 03/08/2019   1:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BattleshipRB23 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@revenuecollector
Concur, a total pipe dream for sure! But one loves to hope... LOL.

Thank you for sharing that info. How about cut aka "paper penetrating" cancels (perfin; punch; herringbone; concentric circle; parallel line) on a RB23... possible?

I have been told that some bisects of RB23 have been seen which I find really puzzling if at all true. What is half of 5/8ths? LOL. Split up into eighths then?
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Edited by BattleshipRB23 - 03/08/2019 1:21 pm
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Posted 03/08/2019   1:20 pm  Show Profile Check revenuecollector's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add revenuecollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Ron or Bart would be better qualified to answer that question than I, but IMO very unlikely, as RB23 was used on proprietary merchandise rather than documents (I believe), so handstamp, printed, and manuscript cancels presumably would have been the norm.
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Posted 03/12/2019   1:05 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BattleshipRB23 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@revenuecollector - I just viewed that illegal use cover with the 1/4 cent proprietary (RB21) on your webpage, neat! Very strange that a fractional made it that far!
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Posted 03/12/2019   4:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Half of 5/8 would have been slightly over 1/4 cent. So in theory it is possible it was used in that manner. Just as in theory a block of four 5/8 cent stamps could have been used to slightly overpay 2 cents, or 9 could pay a 5 cent rate.
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Edited by revcollector - 03/12/2019 4:37 pm
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Posted 03/13/2019   04:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BattleshipRB23 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@revcollector - apologies good sir, I didn't communicate that very well. This was/is in regards to an illegal "postage" usage of RB21 (1/4 cent) on a cover displayed on revenuecollector's website; please see here https://revenue-collector.com/pages/4147.html
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Posted 04/18/2019   10:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add BattleshipRB23 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So now that I know perfin cancellations on RB23 DO exist...


And this before mentioned RB21 illegal usage cover (belonging to and in the care of revenuecollector) has fueled hopes of my too finding a RB23 5/8 cent on cover... one can dream.
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Edited by BattleshipRB23 - 04/18/2019 10:33 am
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