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Australia
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Posted 01/05/2010   2:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Agosos to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
A close friend gave me an old stamp album.It has some nice looking stamps in it and as I know nothing about stamps I thought I'd ask you guys what these ones are and their worth.I know the red penny,not sure of its price,the rest I have no clue other than origin.
The album is pretty much full of stamps from around the world. Is there a place where I could post pics or maybe email pics so I can get some kind of idea what this collection is worth?


I hope the pics work,and I hope you enjoy looking!
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Posted 01/05/2010   7:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cgrotha to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There is nothing here that is all that impressive. What is the title of the 'old album' and how many stamps are there? There is no easy way to tackle the identification of a whole world of stamps. The short-cut approach would be to have a local stamp dealer take a look at the collection, failing that a look by a local collector may help. But this is as good a place as any to post pieces to get an idea of 'worth', however you care to define the term.
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Posted 01/05/2010   8:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It is sometimes a surprise to people who don't collect stamps that old albums, even albums that have stamps in them, often change hands for $20. This is true even if the album appears to contain stamps that are 100 or more years old.

There are probably lots of reasons for this, but two that come to mind are: (i) many albums are built up by casual collectors, who accumulate stamps, but at a relatively low overall level, so the accumulation (while undoubtedly loads of fun for the assembler) never really amounts to much from a resale perspective; and (ii) an album that may have had some nicer things added to it over time gets progressively stripped bare as it passes through hands. After the second or third (or tenth) collector has removed what they can use, little of value is left.

You'll want to rule out the possibility that you have a nice, intact collection on your hands. If there are lots and lots of stamps, it will be virtually impossible for you to know which ones to scan and post here. I'd check to see if there is a local philatelic society, and bring the album to a meeting and see if there are a few friendly faces that you could approach.

If you are thinking about collecting, and you have an album with hundreds of stamps like those in the scans, you'd be off to a good start. That might be your most viable option.

More information would be welcome.

Cjd
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Canada
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Posted 01/05/2010   11:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Photobucket can be used to post your pictures to and then just post the links to the pictures here. Or a link to your album on Photobucket.

I would be interested to see the Canada (if any) as I like cancels / postmarks and while the stamp may be not so pricey the cancels are very interesting.

You could just post the older stamps here (and hopefully more expensive!??) preferably by country and folks could give you a rough idea.

They might be like cgrotha and CJD say but who knows? Life is full of surprises. Some of us like to study all the details also (like me). Perhaps too much of a good thing and all that.

I happen to like the Australia Lyre Bird and Kangaroo stamps (and that series) and that seems to be a nicely centered Penny Red from Great Britain. Not expensive stamps but nice. I only have a catalogue for Canada and GB here. Penny Red (not familiar with them)so $2-$60 depending on which printing plate it is from and it's examined condition, and, who wants to buy it also.

You could check ebay (click Worldwide to get a broader view of pricing if needed.) Look in stores to see what some sell for Usually more expensive) and remember that all stamp's pricing is always conditional upon their condition (nice turn of phrase that) so look at how good of a shape the stamps are in too. Rips, tears, creases, heavy cancels, thins in the paper etc lower the value a lot.

There, did I confuse everyone enough?
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Posted 01/05/2010   11:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to the forum also Agosos!
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Posted 01/05/2010   11:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Reading Puzzler's post got me thinking again about mine. I hope I didn't leave a misimpression about the possibilities. Stamp collecting is always full of possibilities. It is important to remain realistic, but I absolutely encourage investigation.

And, as cgrotha says, the name of the album will give everyone a little more to chew on.

Collin
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Posted 01/05/2010   11:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spock1k to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
welcome you have come to the right place
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Australia
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Posted 01/05/2010   11:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Agosos to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Cheers guys.I'll get the album into some kind of order and post a few pics.Going through the album it looks like alot of the stamps are from around the 1950s and up with a few older ones in the mix.There are some Canadian ones to,i'll get them together when I have some time and post them for you Puzzler.
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Canada
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Posted 01/06/2010   03:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you Agosos.
It is always enjoyable to examine and appreciate another's work.
And arrangement.
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Australia
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Posted 01/08/2010   01:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Agosos to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I haven't found the time yet to get them in order but I did scan the Canadian ones for you.One of them is torn up,but the postmark is still there.I hope you enjoy them.

http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/...dastamps.jpg
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Canada
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Posted 01/08/2010   03:13 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for scanning and posting Agosos.

There is a Colombia stamp (foot ball/soccer) there and a US stamp commemorating Canada's 100 year anniversary also. I like to study all stamps. I just know more Canada than others.

A lot of people like the $1 light red export stamp with the world map on it. It has a roller cancellation (cancel) on it.

The Queens heads stamps from different series and different years are always nice to see for me. There are some paper type varieties and the tagging (fluorescent and phosphorescent) (need a UV lamp to see) is interesting to study. It's fun to hunt for errors in the printing process.

The cancels are mostly common. The ones that are of most interest to me are the circular ones with the place name and date. Like the one on the 5 cent dark blue cameo of the Queen. I can make out 'ONTARIO' (a province of Canada) anyway and see some of the date. That tells you where it was used and when. Rarer than the common wavey obliterations that are used to cancel most stamps. Or the 'slogan' type cancels like on the Christmas candles stamp. Hard to get with a socked on the nose (SON) strike by the cancelling hammer or hand-stamp or especially by the cancelling machines. But I digress.

The 25c green landscape is actually part of a very popular series issued in 1967 on Canada's centenary (100th anniversary). It is a miniature of an art painting by a famous artist named J.E.H.MacDonald, 'Solomn Land'. Each of the stamps has a different painting by a different artist. It has 3 varieties of fluorescence (glows a bit under UV light).

I get carried away with the details at times. I was enjoying myself.

The $1 Export stamp is the most valued in the catalog. About $3 Canadian if it didn't have that corner nick. You wouldn't believe how stamp collectors look at the details. (me too mostly.) If the stamp is printed on low fluorescing paper then $6. And those values are for excellent copies, centered really well, nice colour, nice cancel, etc etc. I know, it's crazy. The other stamps are 5 cents, 20 cents, 50 cents, etc.

The real trick to seeing the value in a stamp or collection of stamps is to be able to appreciate it/them. Not just for the money (most stamps of this age are not valued too highly, wait a hundred years maybe). And then if you try to sell this $1 stamp valued at $3 in a catalog who will pay that for it? A collector of stamps, sure. A collector of maps on stamps, even better. Canada, yes. Used (not post office fresh, mint, still with gum) well, OK. Sometimes it is all in the presentation.

It all seems like work when I talk about it that way, I know. But when you see what you are looking at, that change of perception in you viewpoint makes all the difference in the world. (Especially if you collect worldwide stamps.)

Just like anything. You walk on grass all the time but if you are knowledgeable about plants and grass and soils and insects and climate etc, etc, then you can See what you are looking at (er, walking upon).

When I started collecting stamps I just kept anything and everything that came my way. There are a Lot of different stamps without even going into the specialist varieties. I was rushing through them and enjoying the accumulation and sorting out and learning. I found when I slowed down a bit and Saw what I was working on at the time I learned more and appreciated them more.

Last word. About value. What the catalog says the stamp is valued at , is that what it is worth? To you? To me? To someone else? We will all have different reasons for liking or not liking a certain stamp and paying less than the catalog says or more. Some are beautiful to everyone. Sometimes it is one's own personal values and choices that makes a stamp (or anything else) worth more to you than another stamp.

For those that have reached the end of this post and are still awake (not due to too much coffee) then Welcome To The End Of The Post and have a Great Day.
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Australia
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Posted 01/08/2010   04:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Agosos to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Wow mate thanks for the info,made for some good reading.The export corner nick was a corner fold.I'm not sure how I got the columbian one in the mix. Heres some I scanned from the U.S,http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/...astamps1.jpg
http://i581.photobucket.com/albums/...astamps2.jpg
I noticed the album has has something spilled on it in the bottom right corner of pic 2,this has stuck the stamp there down,what would be the best way of unsticking it,theres a couple on the next page stuck to!
My intention is to give them to my son,hopefully get him interested in something other than xbox.Once again ,thanks for the info!!
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Canada
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Posted 01/08/2010   2:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Agosos, no worries, I like doing stamps.

Good idea for your son. Computers and game systems are hard to compete with.

The US stamps you have shown look (to me, who doesn't know US stamps too well) like more or less common, non expensive type's of stamps. Just to get that said first. Other than that they can be fun to learn about.

There are two circular cancels or postmarks (CDS)(circular date stamp) on the two airmail stamps on the first page. The first one is nice because it shows the complete date, missing some of the name but hmmm, a puzzle to be solved.

I think the stamps are mostly from the 50's - 70's (not sure). Most stamps around the world were engraved before then and look like they have more detail in them. Newer stamps have more colour or fancy printing processes used to make them. In this era the design of the stamp was the striking thing usually.

First picture, second row, the first three stamps are from the Presidential series (are known as prexies) and are mostly common but fun to collect. They look nice. You can get into the pre-cancels used to put the city and state on the stamp so it didn't have to go through the regular postal sorting processes and saved time. Hundreds and thousands of those.

To learn more than you ever wanted to know, searching on this forum (and on the internet) is a great way to learn a little more or a lot more, depending on one's interests at the time.

There is a lot of history in and on stamps. But you don't have to enjoy history to enjoy stamps. Topics, themes, ideas, inspiring people, stuff related to your other interests (sorry, not many xbox stamps out there yet), art, design, colour, animals, planes, ships, flags, airmails, zeppelins, balloons, umbrellas, definitives as apposed to commemoratives (common small stamps compared to bigger rarer (not as many printed) pictorial stamps).

Usually people like the bigger stamps first as they are very nice to look at. Not just a Queen or King or President to look at. You might feel you are getting a bigger bang for your buck perhaps. When starting out on a stamp journey (I like to think of it this way) it is probably best to do only what you want to do. The way you want to do it. The details will come in time. That's a powerful draw of stamp collecting.

However, to motivate another person to want to do something of their own free will, well, that requires a whole set of skills that not many of us have altogether. There is a very general idea that before age 10 a child listens. After age 10 they do not listen so much, but they watch. I know, scary isn't it? But it's great too. Humans operate this way. Oops, I wondered off into the whys and wherefores again. Sorry.

Doesn't have to be expensive. Can be, but doesn't have to be. I forget how many different stamps there are in the world. Some people start out with just their own country or region as the stamps are more easily attainable. Freebies are good also.

My grandmother saved every envelope that came her way. I got some to start out with. I learned. I made mistakes. I learned some more. I collected everything for years. Stopped. Knew enough to help someone else with stamps. Got myself interested again. Said I'd just collect the personalized stamps like my avatar picture. Learned more. Helped someone else sell their stamps. Learned more. Can't help myself now. All stamps look great to me. It's too late for me, save yourself!

Well, that's one way to go about it. Lots of different ways. Go with your strengths, go with his strengths.

Oh, yes, your question about the stamps stuck down. Well, because they are postally used stamps and no longer have their gum or glue or adhesive on, you can soak them in warm water for about 5-10 minutes (depends on what is sticking them down) and see if that releases the gluing. Won't hurt these stamps. Some olde stamps you have to be careful of. When in water for a bit the stamps become more or less tearable so be gentle taking them out and laying them on paper towel or newspaper to dry. When dry mostly you can press them between books or something flat for a few hours, otherwise some stamps curl.
There is more to this just as there is more to stamp collecting. There is an art to soaking. Many articles have been written. Just be gentle and patient. It helps to rinse stamps out of the first batch of water in another cleaner batch because the first has glue and dirt and what not floating around in it after a time.

See how much you've learned in such a short while? Isn't it great???? Don't you want to learn more?

Again, there should be a prize of some sort when one has reached the end of my post. Hmmm. Maybe I could make a personalized stamp about something. Yes, that's a great idea. Well, I'm off then. Oh, you mean a prize for you? Hmmm. I'll have to puzzle over that one for a bit.

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Australia
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Posted 01/11/2010   06:57 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Agosos to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You're a book of knowledge,cheers mate.
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Canada
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Posted 01/11/2010   07:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Puzzler to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I was thinking I over talked or typed.
I do tend to wander off into unknown realms at times.
Please accept my apologies for too much information about too many things at once!
I do mean well . . .really I do.

Hope your stamps are enjoyable for you and / or your son.
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Posted 01/11/2010   08:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spock1k to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
why not focus on things where I am encouraging you to talk as much as you want its better for both of us that way :)

my sales could do with another energizer
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