Need Some Help On A Possible $7,000.00 1861-62 15 Cent Scott A24 # 63 C Stamp Please Thank You ;-)

Below is the post I had posted.And I doubt very much that is the Scott A24 63 & Its more than likely the Scott 63 1 cent blue

So please reply your opinion on this stamp and if its not the C
But could it be Possible that no one really checked it out because of the cover part its on and the other 2 3 Cent ones are grills and 1 has really thick glue on it and its hard to measure or count the prymids because the glue is all crackled

And if these were your's would you soak it or leave it on the paper / old envelope. also the cancellation post mark is that a regular one and if not do you think that if there is a Certified Scott 63c in the registry may have the same X because the stamp could of been used in a civil war because it started in 1861 and perhaps they couldn't get the regular postmarks know what I mean.It also has Red ink and a red P looks like.

I'll look up Civil War Hospitals and Barracks maybe its a military post mark for the soldiers.

I don't have luck like that it would be nice really nice I'm sure if I had the spelize cat for them it would be a 50 cent stamp


Would you separate these not ~the Scott 63 Washington but off the paper
So far I done this

I used the scope illuminated plateau to light it up thru the cover and it has Vert laid lines But this can't be right so I guess if others agree about the Scott # it will be worth getting it checked out because the laid paper is the $7,000.00 and I don't have luck like that it would be nice really nice I'm sure if I had the spelize cat for them it would be a 50 cent stamp.

Scott has a note at that section about the Specialized catalog its prob in their and its of low value.And on the 2 cent Washington Green stamp why would their be Green on the back and did this stamp ever have gum it's in great shape and is centered pretty good all but the top/Sorry about asking so many question. I wish the 163 wasn;t wrinkled and is their a way to fix it

The 1st picture is of the stamp on the glass bottom lighted plate



















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I would leave the three on piece. Two of them are tied by it, and no reason to believe the 3rd was not original. It also makes the red "PAID" stamp more complete. (If you could see the whole impression it would say PAID in a box). (Scott catalog notes that the "PAID" will add $2.50 to the CV).

However, your images are horribly blurry and useless for making any other determination about a 63 varietal. It's a very nice piece.
For laid paper, that bright illumination you are providing isn't doing it any favors. Just take a good closeup photo in natural light, or scan it at 300+ DPI (good enough for viewing here), 600 is better, but the images you have are useless beyond IDing the design.

Regarding your 1867 grill issues, the one with the heavy gum on back, I would soak it off to clean up the back of the stamp, and get better view of the grill. But that may also not be necessary. Take a good loupe, 10x - 15x power, and find the widest row you can find. Count that row's grill impressions. Then find the longest clear column you can find, and count those.

Sinclare always beats me up when I recommend graphite test, and in this case I don't think it is necessary. The grill points on both the 1867's you have should be enough to view it. If you could get us a good clear scan of both, I can better identify it.

I've no idea why you put the photos of the 163 and the 213 in. My comments about them are the 163 is badly creased, and the 213 has a light cancellation.

Hi Classic
Sorry about the pictures I'll scan them tomorrow and remove the other I had used the microscope stage for the backlight but my camera is in the shop and I used my phone but scanning I better.

The only reason why I had made the comment about soaking them was to see if the paper is laid and if it is is it the 63c would be nice but I'm sure that stamp traveled around a lot already and i'm sure people other than me knows hot to check for laid paper right Or is that scott price wrong for 7k seems a little high

But it does have Vertical line when I looked at it with the mag glass they were clear but the phone rots I'll fix the post in the morning I'm beat now Many thanks Austin

Laid paper should be visible from both front and back. If it's not, it's not laid paper.
I'd like to see a better scan, and then can have a look. Yes, a side lighting would be helpful there, but a natural light scan is important.

No need to take it off piece, and the piece as a whole is stranger whether it turns out to be a 63c or is just a regular 63c.

The $7k value (actually in 2019 it is $8.5l) is correct for an UNUSED VF centered stamp without faults. Your example is a used stamp, so VF centered without faults has a CV of $4.5k. This one may not reach that value if it is a c, as even the photo you supply shows it's not without faults, but still far more valuable than a standard 63.

Good clear scans/photos are a must. Blurry images never add anything to the discussion, other than requests for better images. :)

Strange, I just looked back up at your original message, and see the last image which I didn't notice before. I see now why you think it is laid paper. But that image is still too blurry. But based on that, I would agree it is a candidate for vertical laid paper. The piece it is on helps with this too, since it is not a laid paper piece, it's not just a toning taking place.
Look forward to the better images.

Hay Classic its not you
What I did was was read your post and and rgwb nube I realized and I wanted to see how the pics looked and realized that I had left it out and I put it in it would be nice to have it be woth even 50 bucks it would help out on my gas bill a bit cold here in Kansas USA

I had sold a mid to late 1800 chinese puzzle Teapot signed it was for an Empiara on catwiki and the buyer backed out maybe this is a blessing but like I said I have no luck

Iget better scans in a few hours thanks austin

Show us an image with the 10c stamps backlit the same as the #63. Show us that the blue paper is not laid paper, in other words.

For the record, this passionate philatelist doesn't beat anybody up. I just believe our mantra should be to first, do no harm.

The 163 is reperforated at right. The 2 cent originally did have gum. It has green on the back because the sheets were stacked while the ink was still wet and some from the sheet underneath came off on the back of this stamp. This is called "offset" Over the last 15 years or so, some collectors have taken to calling it "setoff" instead.

Hello
Your right it is the paper and I should of known this from all the woodblocks and bookplates I collect I got some from the 1400 and maps it had the same kind of lines as the russian #27 stamp they were marked horz laid then I actually got happy

But it is shortly lived because I thought to myself watch it be something else like a reprint or a forgery, I think I paid $3-4 bucks for it and they didn't even have good pictures either,

I'll take a scan still and you want me to leave this post up it could help someone in the future I'll do several scans I have to move all the stuff back in the work room cause I had left the printer their when it was cold and been working on the couch.

I'd like to thank you all and too bad its basically worth very little due to the condition, Also the paper is like hard and bluish wax paper like wonder what it was I seen other cover online with the same stamps I wonder what cost so much back then to mail I mean it 35 cents

I'll actually be able to sleep now with out that on my mind ;-)

Many Thanks Austin

Ah, we have a winner...
The paper it is mounted on is laid paper. Not the stamp. (Good call Winston, and that's what I was looking for as well).

So what you have is a 63 that is on piece, and the piece is laid paper. We can see that in the small margin around the stamps, and the 10c Washington also show the exact same pattern in the luminosity photo (great work on that photo BTW).

Winston - Thanks for the clarity. I like the passion, and I like the "do no harm" philosophy as well. But if all else fails, I sometimes have to resort to "advanced methods", or we have to classify it as "unidentifiable", which is sad. Then we have to call it an F grill... I suppose better than calling it a no-grill in those cases.

Also, I can see in the image, the 68 is a pair... so that's nothing to sneeze at. The CV of a pair is $125. Couple them with the 63 tied to piece with Red PAID cancel, and the fancy cancels (Don't have my NYFM with me at the moment but I think this is one), and you have a very nice piece. So it's not worth $4,000 but it's not worth $10 either. Too bad it's not the whole cover!

Hi Classic Phil

I had done what you said and I scanned them at 600 dpi instead,

Let me ask how bad does the minor crease de- values the 15 cent stamp

Also if these were yous and you wanted to sell them and I mean the cover square,

And the other ones,

Also should I leave the post up like it? since it Isn't laid paper and not the $7,000.00 stamps

I just don't want to have people think that I,m trying to mislead them about it ,And that was the reason I posted them.waS to get helpful information.And thanks to ClassicPhil and others I did get the help I was really happy when I seen this line and the reason why I thought they were was because I have a few more that a few of this Russian Stamp Scott #27 and were marked just the 27 and in the scott catalog mentioned the type b so I went thru them and found 4 of them and I posted those pictures Thanks Classic,

Austin

Dam I messed up and scanned them at 2400 dpi and to recan them to fit within the 200 dpi

Also I think the $5.00 stamps is worth a bit too bad it's been hinged

Can you send me a friend request I think we're friends on FB is your name Classic Phill

Hi Austin,
The crease is bad... it is considered a major fault, so it will impact it's CV quite a lot. The centering isn't great either, so this stamp if you put it up on ebay might fetch you $15 - $25. The bigger hit to value is that it is F centered, so that carries a CV of $63 compared to a VF centering at $160. So long as you describe it with the crease, people will know what they are buying.
As for the 63 + 68 block, the CV on this of $125 for the 68 pair, and 63 CV $50, plus the red and fancy cancels, CV call it $175 including the centering, you should be able to get between $50 - $80 for it on ebay.

Oh, and don't delete the post. This is great stuff for others who are learning, and no one thinks you are trying to rip someone off. The observation you made is the kind of thing that happens all the time, and being brave enough to post up a great example like this, that helps others, is pure gold.

Hi Classic
You know about 10 years ago when I made scale cannons the name of my site was ClassicCannon and everytime I see your name it reminds me of my good old day Making scale cannons and Mortars.

Back to the stamps Ya I agree with you on them and no biggie I alway offer a refund if the customer isn't happy it's better to refund them then to deal with bad feedback and I just figure if he's happy they don't mind paying No and they will come back and buy more as long as its the same stamp hinged but it is happy and yo date I haven't had a return yet

So i'll probably list them on facebook for $15 for the 163 and $45 for the set of 3 I need to pay for some items and get my electric bill paid otherwise i'd wait to sell here is 50% of face good for canadian postage from the 1970s they have a good cat value but haven't sold yet on FB and I need to look up the 5 dollar stamp I wish it wasn't but it is I'm going to see if they have a measuring program to measure the impression of the grill. but they are basically low value stamps the Washingtons.

Have you ever tried that SRS software for stamps is it any good seems like its good and I have a lot of stamps.

And ya I think it's best to leave this post up so other that come across this issue will know had the 10 cents stamps been a lighter color I would of seen it like I mentioned from the moment I posted it I said watch it be something else to truly find a really good stamp one would have to find albums un molested at yard sale in small towns that were their dads collection

b4 I post them is their any other site that's good for selling I seen that the have an option for auction here but I have a few post to post the 100 b4 it lets me

I'm no amature at selling online mainly antiques and artwork and coins and 1st edition books like the sinners guide from 1684 and I was going to do a site called NorthAmericStamp&Coin almost like my facebook group but I have been having issues with another seller I don't want to bring it up here.

Many thanks Austin