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Posted 04/03/2019   4:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add rmm825 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I have a few stamps I am having difficulty identifying. Any help would be appreciated. Thanks for your help.


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Posted 04/03/2019   5:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
http://stampdata.com/stamps.php?fov...&fissuer=551

https://www.mepsi.org/PDF/overlooked_19.pdf

Check the Dollar sign ,it should have 2 vertical bars;forgeries only 1.


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Edited by perf12 - 04/03/2019 5:43 pm
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Posted 04/04/2019   03:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The first 4 are not listed in the Celis Cano catalog; they are clearly fakes. The rubberstamp overprint style was used in both Sonora and Veracruz. The rubberstamp overprint does not match Celis Cano for the first 4 stamps.

The last 2 stamps could exist but the overprints here do not match what is shown by Celis Cano, either, so they are forgeries.
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Edited by hy-brasil - 04/04/2019 03:42 am
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Posted 04/04/2019   09:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rmm825 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
According to Scott Catalog, in 1914, the Regular Issue of 1910 is overprinted with the large GCM. Also in 1914, the Regular Issue of 1910 is overprinted with the G$C. There is no listing for the Denver Issue having the large GCM. There is no listing for the double overprinted stamps shown. I understand the problem with the "$".
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Posted 04/04/2019   3:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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There is no [Scott] listing for the Denver Issue having the large GCM.

That is Scott. Celis Cano lists many other revolutionary era overprints which were locally issued, which would normally be ignored by Scott. Why Scott chooses to list the Large GCM (and the Merida issue under "provisionals") is maybe due to them being listed early on and never removed. Or perhaps they were proven used and accepted on mail generally. Ask Scott.
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Posted 04/22/2019   06:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Sc#23 1864 2r Orange 111-1865
What is the (fancy) MEXICO doing on this stamp ? Dangerous counterfeit?
I don't suppose ??SUL is enough to ID a district?
Thank you.
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Edited by rod222 - 04/22/2019 06:52 am
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Nobody here read or studied assiduously the complexities of Mexican stamps and their unique characteristics .The forgeries out there has already been accepted as the real thing . It would take a impressive library of catalogs and clippings from the philatelic press the world over to understand plus have all the major works on the subject .

Trying to identify the revolutionary overprints ,surcharges and cancellations without the works of the "Special Committee of the Mexico-Elmhurst Philatelic Society " is just a joke ,No catalog can help because it is not accepted that their illustions are not counterfeit to begin with .
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Posted 04/22/2019   08:41 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rod, all issued stamps had the state name, etc. as a control. Those without are reprints/remainders. There are many forgeries of the overprints.

The gothic-style "Mexico" is the state name struck at the same time as "111" (control/consignment number) and "1865" (year). It is the state (mostly) surrounding Mexico City. Mexico City itself was later the Distrito Federal (D.F.) up to 2016, much like the US's District of Columbia.

The cancel here is upside down and has JUL (Julio/July) with MEXICO on the bottom.
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Edited by hy-brasil - 04/22/2019 08:55 am
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Posted 04/22/2019   5:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you both, gentlemen.
I think I'll print out your reponses, and paste in the opposing album page, for reference.
I understand the complexities of Mexico, but going by Scott, I just presumed the Gothic overprint did not occur on my examples.

Thanks for explaining the JUL

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Posted 04/23/2019   10:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Perf 12.

Genuine.

Counterfeit.

Variety GONSITUCIONALISTA.
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