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Hello, Are These Togo Stamps Forgeries?

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Posted 05/10/2019   06:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add NanoPhilatelic to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I want to inquire about some Togo stamps I have.
Are these forgeries?

All of the overprints are, "Not Sharp", that is something someone told me would be an indicator that they could be genuine. Any help would be much appreciated. Thank you.


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Posted 05/10/2019   10:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The inverted overprint on your ($10,000)2M looks forged IMO.Poor impression,fuzzy.The
"A" in Anglo looks very narrow.The top of the "r" in French looks wrong.Narrow "O" in Occupation….The "n" & "h" in French look wrong also.
The genuine overprints were of good quality,clear; even with their different settings.
There are only a few genuine recorded examples of the inverted overprint on the 2M.
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Posted 05/10/2019   5:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NanoPhilatelic to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Someone told me that because it is somewhat shifted/tilted. It is signed though. What do you think about the 3rd row down, second to the right? The f on, "franco" is a little chopped off. Is this common? Thank you.
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Posted 05/10/2019   6:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Could we see the signature on the 2m?
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Posted 05/10/2019   6:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
From the pics the 3rd row stamps look fake.The ending "e" looks wrong(a bit wide & deformed).Misaligned letters..Strange "f" in franco in the green 5 pfennig…
I Don't trust this selection..maybe some else can give their opinion.
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Posted 05/11/2019   04:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NanoPhilatelic to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is a scan of the back of the, "2m"


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Posted 05/11/2019   04:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stamperix to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Did you buy all these (and the other Eesti overprints) in a collection, and were they defined as forgeries?
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Posted 05/11/2019   04:53 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NanoPhilatelic to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes I bought these, not in one big collection, but separately from different sources. No they were not defined as forgeries.
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Edited by NanoPhilatelic - 05/11/2019 04:55 am
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Posted 05/11/2019   04:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
BPP Prüfer Hans Bothe very well known expert for German colonies.He is also well known to forgers.Idem for Kilian.
Genuine Bothe sinatures:



on your stamp:


Genuine Kilian:

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Posted 05/11/2019   04:56 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NanoPhilatelic to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
All of the other stamps have signatures as well. Some are signed, "DR. DUB"
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Posted 05/11/2019   05:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NanoPhilatelic to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, I have seen some of the example forgeries of, "Boothe BPP"

Here is a collection of supposed forged signatures I pulled from, "www.filatelia.fi"


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Posted 05/11/2019   06:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Sorsh to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
All are fake, the high BPP position indicates that it has been tested and found false, the location of the BPP signature indicates that it is perforated with overprint.

the Kilian signature is genuine, and the Bothe is fake.
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Posted 05/11/2019   2:14 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NanoPhilatelic to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is the front and back scans of all of the TOGO prints I am inquiring about.

Fronts




Backs



Thank you
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Posted 05/11/2019   2:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hy-brasil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Dr. Dub is found on both genuine and forged German area stamps and the signature has been forged itself. It is not considered reliable at all today.
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Posted 05/11/2019   3:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A DrDub from one of your stamps:(Wrong shape of "D")


There are différences with the genuine below.The double DrDub was re-verified by him and
thus stamped a second time.
The Schlegel stamp confirmed the authenticity of the DrDub stamp.
source:
https://www.philaseiten.de/cgi-bin/...x.pl?ST=1093


Counter signed Schlegel stamps;



Some more info:
https://briefmarken-pruefer.de/de/1...mil-Dub.html


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