Bale To Scott Catalog Number Cross

Does anyone know if there is an official - or unofficial - cross reference between Bale Israel Catalog numbers (equivalent to the Scott Specialized US) and Scott numbers?

A lot of the ebay Israeli lots I've been looking at (especially booklets) seem to use the Bale numbers and I'm having difficulty finding some of the items in Scotts.

I'd buy a Bale catalog but they're $145 plus shipping.

I do not own a Bale catalog, so I cannot confirm this myself. But it was my understanding that at least one of the older Bale catalogs included a cross-reference to Scott numbers. I do not know about the newest 2010 Bale Israel catalog.

If nobody can confirm/correct, I will try to make some inquiries to a few friends I know that own Bale catalogs and try to find out. But it would appear that you might be specifically wanting to know about the 2010? I would suggest emailing Bale directly and inquiring.

I've looked at my notes, and as usual, I can't exactly decipher my notes. However, I can confirm that either the 2002 or the 2006 edition definitely has a cross-reference to Scott catalog numbers; perhaps both editions have it, but one of them for certain.

http://www.bale-catalogue.com/

You will see one or two Palestine Occupation pages here from the 2010 catalogue. They are an addendum to the catalogue. There is no reference to Scott numbers.
I have an old Bale Palestine and there is no reference to Scott in that one either.

I saw, what was then, a new copy in 2006 and I do not remember seeing any other catalogue numbers. But my memory can be as bad as it can be good !
Even though the catalogue is printed in the UK, there is generally an assumption that most Israel catalogues go to collectors in the USA [outside of Israel of course] because of the large Jewish population. So it's possible there are Scott numbers. Call them.

Londonbus1.....of not much use at all.

I've checked, and my notes were actually taken from the Bale website a while back. It is true that I do not see any mention of a Scott cross-reference on the current website. That is why I suggested emailing them directly. They may not have reached a licensing agreement to distribute the cross-reference with the current catalog. Just guessing.

The sample pdf's I have from Bale for their older catalogs also do not directly show Scott catalog numbers. I had always assumed the cross-reference they mentioned was in a separate booklet or in an appendix.

I guess I should have mentioned, to ask about the existence of cross-reference for both newest and older editions, and if they exist, where in the catalog they are located.

k (not of much help, either, I'm afraid)

[EDIT: I should clarify that I am speaking strictly about the Bale Israel catalog, and not the other Bale catalogs, because that was the one mentioned in Greg's original post.]

When I sit and think about it, Scott would never cross-reference with anyone, so why should Bale do so with Scott.

Everyone has his limits !

A friend of mine wanted to list both Gibbons and Scott numbers on his Flag Stamp reference site. Gibbons were quite happy while Scott gave a very curt 'get lost'.

Bale take note !

Londonbus1.....believes in tit-for-tat.

Much in the same way that those Bloggers who advertise their blogs, either in a forum or links page, should reciprocate and leave a link to that forum or links page on his/her Blogspot.
Many don't, and many don't even think about it.
It makes me mad !

Sorry, off topic, but you see the connection ...don't you?

Londonbus1......I'll scratch your back and you scratch mine.

I've never used Bale, but I think it's very cool they post Addendum on their website. And for the 2010 Catalogue, it says "pages may be added until 2013."

I don't see Scott doing that!

KirkS

Scott do do it. So do Gibbons.
In their magazines and sister websites.

Whether they can be copied or printed is another matter.

Londonbus1

Bale, Scott, Gibbons, Micheal, and others take a hint already!

Just how many times have we seen requests or post about a cross reference. They are all worried about their own cats. and do not want to share anything.

Well guess what, if a cross reference was available they just might get more sales in the long run. Here is a great example. For any of the former military personnel we all had milspec numbers to resupply items- ie. part numbers. But a simple cross reference was always available to purchase from any company out there just about. Guess what if the companies did not list a cross reference nobody ever looked at them. Just one way to look at it and post my rant, thank you.

Actually, we might want to leave Michel off that list on uncooperative catalog makers. I say this because my Zumstein Switzerland catalog has the Michel number in its listings. Though its possible and therefore I wouldn't know, I don't think there is an ownership relationship between Zumstein and Michel.

Living in the US and recognizing the lock that Scott has here, it is though very frustrating for me to have to essentially memorize two sets of catalog numbers for the same stamp between Scott on one hand and Zumstein on the other. And, more than frustrating, it is very easy to make a mistake, confusing one catalog number for another, and on occasion, its been the reason for a stamp being bought in error.

And, in my view, this situation does not help any of their sales, it just helps those who sell ripped out country sections on ebay or those who place the catalogs onto the bit torrents.

Londonbus, you have a point. Scott does publish the same type of info in Scott Stamp Monthly which is $10/yr for the electronic edition or $32/yr for the print version.

It was early morning and I got excited

Kirk

There is nothing like getting excited early morning !

Londonbus1....or even late at night !!

So TWO good bits of news for Laswabbie.
Cjd pointed out an advert in Linns for the Bale Israel catalogue at $99 postpaid.
And I noticed one of the selling points in the advert was the Scott numbers are included !!

HOUSE OF ZION.

They take a stand at all the shows here in Israel, both National and International.

Londonbus1.

The 2010 Bale Israel Catalogue does include the Scott number, along with the Bale number of course, under each stamp picture. I purchased the new book when I found out that Bale changed their numbers so my 2006 catalogue is virtually worthless. I am in the process of updating my database with the new Bale numbers and will then be able to generate a cross reference list that also includes the Israel Philatelic Authority number. I should be finished in a week or two and would be happy to share the list.

What a kind member you are. I would be interested, although the 50 post rule for emailing [is that correct] might mean a delay for those like myself.
Good luck with the cross-referencing.

Londonbus1