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What Is The Greatest Need That Stamp Collectors Have?

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Posted 11/01/2023   10:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Cyriax sale had some very good results. But whenever there was the slightest issue with the item, it was passed on or sold at the starting price.
Still, some regummed items took off. I would not have expected that considering the result for stamps with issues.

The £ 5 Orange items did well.
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Posted 11/01/2023   1:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gvol21 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like Kelleher is the newest member on the forum.... presumably they complained about the other thread and that's why it got taken down?

I understand why, but a shame nonetheless - it was interesting to hear folks weigh in on the reasons for these recent market changes.
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Posted 11/01/2023   1:59 pm  Show Profile Check jamesg's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jamesg to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think we should be censoring threads.
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Posted 11/01/2023   4:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add TNPhil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Looks like Kelleher is the newest member on the forum.... presumably they complained about the other thread and that's why it got taken down?

I understand why, but a shame nonetheless - it was interesting to hear folks weigh in on the reasons for these recent market changes.


I, too, found that thread an interesting read.

Agree with jamesg also.
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Edited by TNPhil - 11/01/2023 4:24 pm
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Posted 11/01/2023   4:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I debated about whether I should remove it...

I will say that the original poster requested it and when I removed the thread I did not know or notice that a new Kelleher account had been opened. But I assure everyone that my decision was strictly based upon my consideration for the original poster.

As one of several staffers I can only speak for myself; but I am very hard pressed to ever remove a post or a thread. Many might even say that I tend to let some threads/posts stay up when they really should be taken down.
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Posted 11/01/2023   4:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add gvol21 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Don, I didn't consider that, but makes sense - I suppose if I was the OP on that thread I might have regretted divulging the details of that conversation with the Kelleher team for fear of burning bridges.

Still, I hope the conversation it prompted continues on here (or elsewhere on the board), as there were some interesting takes and it prompted a good discussion.
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Posted 11/01/2023   4:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 51studebaker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I looked at trying to split the original thread and keeping part of it open, but Kelleher was mentioned over a dozen times and the continuity of the thread would have been in shambles.

But anyone can feel free to start a new thread if desired to continue the discussion.
Don

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Posted 11/01/2023   4:57 pm  Show Profile Check gmot's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add gmot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That is too bad - thought it was an interesting thread about the market worth contributing to. Although wouldn't have added a couple paragraphs to it this morning had I known it was about to get axed.
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Posted 11/01/2023   5:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampgreendragon to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
yeah that kheller thread was cool. Agreed that too bad it was deleted. It's what is happening to all collectibles. Other auction houses are experiencing the same thing.
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Posted 11/01/2023   7:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampgreendragon to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The greatest need that a stamp collector has is to opine about the future of stamp collecting!
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Posted 11/02/2023   1:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just to repeat what I had said previous on this board .

I just received a UPS delivery today . It was a country collection that I purchased from a stamp auction firm . The scans that are on the auction firm's website shown album pages of the collection . Got what I paid for .

But when I sat down with it , there were dozens of glassines each with a complete set in between the pages . So the previous owner was buying new material but didn't have the time to mount anything .

This all goes back to me saying easier to buy stuff than to spend the time to work on it and mount it . It was a lot of nice material so feel sorry they didn't realize a better price if it was mounted and shown on the firms website .

SO .....spend time to mount and show your stuff ,is the most important thing lacking for stamp collectors .
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Posted 11/10/2023   6:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Mount-this to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A classic world wide stamp album (1840 - 1940) that is as comprehensive as the Minkus Supreme Global, but with a layout more like the Scott Specialized albums.
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Posted 11/10/2023   7:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
In relation to the "Kelleher" thread that is no more and comments it prompted about the philatelic market, a C3a just sold for two million dollars with tip at Siegel, the highest price ever paid for a United States stamp. A tale of two types of collectors, one in the 99% and the other in the 1%.
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Posted 11/10/2023   8:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tsmatx to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I've said it before and I'll say it again. Young people (born after 1980) only care about one thing: $$$$. They will have no interest in taking up a hobby--or putting much effort into anything--unless it has strong likelihood of returning $$$$. As an earlier post in this thread said, young people are very much interested in rare gold coins, and the reason for that is $$$$. Stamps have reputation of not being valuable. That is the reason why young people do not care about stamps.

The C3a sale of $2 million should be a celebrated event for the hobby. It should make headlines far beyond the stamp collecting community. This should be a huge PR moment for the hobby. This is the type of event which should get people excited about stamp collecting and show the world that yes stamps can be worth $$$$ But I don't see anything about it on CNN--I read about it here on this forum. I know when other rare collectibles sell for 7 figures, they do make headlines. Auction firms like Christie's, Sotheby's, & Heritage have great PR departments and put out press releases for big sales like this. Siegel, I guess, not so much. And that is the reason why young people continue to have no interest in stamps.
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Posted 11/11/2023   02:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I've said it before and I'll say it again. I've said it before and I'll say it again. Young people (born after 1980) only care about one thing: $$$$. They will have no interest in taking up a hobby--or putting much effort into anything--unless it has strong likelihood of returning $$$$. As an earlier post in this thread said, young people are very much interested in rare gold coins, and the reason for that is $$$$. Stamps have reputation of not being valuable. That is the reason why young people do not care about stamps.

The C3a sale of $2 million should be a celebrated event for the hobby. It should make headlines far beyond the stamp collecting community. This should be a huge PR moment for the hobby. This is the type of event which should get people excited about stamp collecting and show the world that yes stamps can be worth $$$$ But I don't see anything about it on CNN--I read about it here on this forum. I know when other rare collectibles sell for 7 figures, they do make headlines. Auction firms like Christie's, Sotheby's, & Heritage have great PR departments and put out press releases for big sales like this. Siegel, I guess, not so much. And that is the reason why young people continue to have no interest in stamps. They will have no interest in taking up a hobby--or putting much effort into anything--unless it has strong likelihood of returning $$$$. As an earlier post in this thread said, young people are very much interested in rare gold coins, and the reason for that is $$$$. Stamps have reputation of not being valuable. That is the reason why young people do not care about stamps.

The C3a sale of $2 million should be a celebrated event for the hobby. It should make headlines far beyond the stamp collecting community. This should be a huge PR moment for the hobby. This is the type of event which should get people excited about stamp collecting and show the world that yes stamps can be worth $$$$ But I don't see anything about it on CNN--I read about it here on this forum. I know when other rare collectibles sell for 7 figures, they do make headlines. Auction firms like Christie's, Sotheby's, & Heritage have great PR departments and put out press releases for big sales like this. Siegel, I guess, not so much. And that is the reason why young people continue to have no interest in stamps.


The irony!

Outside the USA, that first line goes: Americans only care about one thing: $$$$.

This is anchoring: you think what you see is the norm, when what is newsworthy is the outlier.

Also, if the sale of a stamp for $$$$3 million should attract people to the hobby, they better should care about getting $$$$.

In a world where wealth sits with a very small part of humanity and poverty is widespread, it should not surprise anyone that children grow up wanting to be financially independent.

Watching the news about young people doing dumb things to earn money on social platforms dues not mean all young people do this. Most do not.

I have been supporting a ladies' hockey team playing in the Dutch honours league. Most of the young women and men that play in the Dutch hockey leagues do not get paid or get paid very little. They practise four times a week and then play a match. They put a lot of effort in that hobby. Some become Olympic champions. And they are not the only ones who have hobbies or spend their time serving their communities.

Just because young people do not buy classic stamps most people cannot afford, if they want to feed their family, does not mean there are no new young collectors. They collect differently and are not members of the APS (look at photographs of the meetings and imagine why not). And these myopic posts, also, are why they avoid platforms like SCF.
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