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Nf190, Nf191, Nf257 What's The Difference??

 
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Posted 11/29/2019   09:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add fylbrig413 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
All 3 of these were in envelopes marked with the number listed below each in photos. I know the violet ones are Die I because of the antler under the "T" and the grass above the "5". Here's my confusion. The NF190 is a violet brown, the NF191 is a deep violet and the NF257 is violet. What's the difference between the NF190 and NF257, and is my NF190 actually an NF257? And the NF190P shown is a grey or black color and I can find no such listing in the 2019 Unitrade Catalog? I would be much obliged if anyone can tell me exactly what these stamps are. Thank you very much.
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Posted 11/29/2019   10:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think the black Caribou is die II, trial color plate proof in black on thick wove paper.
Worth about $100 (US).
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Posted 11/29/2019   10:28 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fylbrig413 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
But Die II says antler under "T" is higher. This is equal or equal height. Could it be Die I (NF190) trial color proof?
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Posted 11/29/2019   10:40 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think your right Die I
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Posted 11/29/2019   10:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fylbrig413 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks. One other question. I'm thinking my NF257 is actually NF191 Die II because the grass is to the left of the "5" and on a NF257 the grass doesn't extend to the left of the "5". The NF257 shows the grass not extending to the left of the "5". Your thoughts?
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Posted 11/29/2019   11:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
THere is a nice article (p75) here which explains things much better than I could;
http://www.canadianpsgb.org.uk/mpl/...n05-w017.pdf
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Posted 11/29/2019   11:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fylbrig413 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you
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Posted 11/29/2019   12:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add tommy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello,

Thanks for your posting and images. I only collect Newfoundland stamps for longer than I care to admit, so I took interest. Apologies for overindexing with information, but here is my take (though I welcome and happy to have others correct/amplify, as my notes below or quick take):

First : The pair marked 190a die I: These are from 1932-1938 First Resource issue and they appear to be Die I, because of the antlers below the "T" appear even. It is hard to say whether the color is "violet brown" or "deep violet" since colors are difficult to assess. So they would be either 190 or 190a (Unitrade/Scott) or NSSC # 181 or 181a. The values do range from perhaps $5 to $20 (top catalog) so might be worth assessing. However : these are imperforate, a horizontal pair--which makes them more unique and valuable and per NSSC this would be # 181j (i think). Value could be north of $475 at top condition. I'd also check the back, because if they are never hinged, even better. Might also check for watermark.

Second, the "190 P". I believe that this is a proof, with even antlers (I think, hard to see). My guess is that this is a essentially a color trial and black. From the same era : 1932-1938. Unitrade and Scott are pretty useless in this area; if you want to get more info, then send to a reputable certification outfit, check with a good dealer, or buy the NSSC catalog. Not sure of value, but unique relative to the regular 190

Third, the "257". This is from the "Second Resource Issue", 1941-1949 and since Newfoundlanders love Caribous more than rum, they trotted out another one for this stamp. Its another imperforate pair and the issue # is 257 (or NSSC 240 (2020)). Violet, no die variation. I think NSSC has this as 240g and value is north of $300 IMHO. Check for watermark and 4 different positions.

Nice variants of a super common stamp. Thanks for sharing.
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Edited by tommy - 11/29/2019 12:10 pm
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Posted 11/29/2019   12:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add fylbrig413 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all for your expertise. Much appreciated.
fylbrig
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Posted 11/29/2019   4:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
When you need information on Newfoundland stamps...Just remember the name ""TOMMY""

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