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263 For Sale With Clear Weiss Graded Cert - Missing PF Cert As Reperfed

 
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Posted 02/06/2020   7:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add rogdcam to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
In the spirit of recent topics I offer another example of a certificate gone " missing" when a stamp is offered for sale.



The Hipstamp listing:

https://www.hipstamp.com/listing/26...l+Interested

There is a PF cert (515454) issued subsequent to the Weiss cert:

http://pfsearch.org/pfsearch/pf_grd...mitNext=Next



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Posted 02/06/2020   8:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add widglo46 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It takes time to search through the PF database, but it pays off time and again. My experience with this seller has taught me that I can't be careful enough.
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Posted 02/06/2020   10:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rdavid to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Reperfed?
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Posted 02/06/2020   11:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add redwoodrandy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
PF cert states reperfed on right.
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Posted 02/07/2020   06:38 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add funcitypapa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Still, that is a heck of a 263. What is more sobering to me is that if the PF is right, that Weiss missed reperfing. This to me is different than some certificates listed under a single name rather than an organization. I am specifically NOT referring to those of Bill Crowe, for he, like Weiss is a recognized expert who prior to issuing his own certificates certified for the PF at a minimum and Weiss certified at a minimum to my knowledge for APEX. To my knowledge, however Miller, with all due respect, was not a former certifier for PF, PSE, APEX, or PSAG, so my expectations might be a little lower for accuracy there even if he was more knowledgeable than everyone else.
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Posted 02/07/2020   09:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
What was thought of Bill Weiss level of expertise depends greatly upon who is asked. Collectors thought him extremely knowledgeable, but other knowledgeable professionals were often far less effusive in their praise. Their attitude about him was often "anyone can do the easy ones". That's just how it was, rightly or wrongly.
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Posted 02/07/2020   09:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Germania to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If anything, it is the left side that looks different from the other 3 sides. It also looks like all 4 sides were scissor cut.

I'm glad I'm collecting an easy country like Germany.
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Posted 02/07/2020   09:31 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, I don't collect US stamps, but extensive scissoring was my thought too.
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Posted 02/07/2020   09:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Except for really bad. obvious fakes, telling reperfs requires having the stamp in hand and looking at the reverse under high magnification. As paper became softer, the perfs got more funky looking, and even genuine perfs can look off to some degree.
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Posted 02/07/2020   2:18 pm  Show Profile Check sinclair2010's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add sinclair2010 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A Google search of Lincoln Philatelics leads to Dana Okey.
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A Google search of Lincoln Philatelics leads to Dana Okey.


I worked for a few auction houses in the 1980's, and it was common to see Dana and Bill (and a couple others in a similar age group) in the same circles. It was not uncommon to see them working closely together at the auctions. I am not making any allegations - please don't read anything into that. I am just saying that their career paths had similar trajectories and I suppose they both thought it would be to their advantage to work together rather than not. I am not surprised to see a stamp associated with one being sold by the other.

ETA: Any and all comments are welcome!!!!
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