NZ Chalon Stamps And Beginner Question

I am relatively new to stamp collecting (reprising it after a 30 year hiatus). I am now in a position where I can spend some money on the Chalons both imperforate and post 1862 issues.
Is it essential to have a SG catalogue if one seriously wants to collect these or are there other catalogues available?
If you purchase on trademe or ebay I a presuming you will not really know the authenticity of the stamp?
I have read the Chalon issues of NZ (forgot who it was by) but that made some serious yet fascinating reading. So many different varieties, different papers, yet my Len Jury catalogue is rather devoid of much detail.
I have posted a picture of the start of my collection.
Thoughts welcomed.

I don't see a picture of the collection? For the Chalon issue I'd pass on ebay and instead look at auction houses and trusted dealers.Certificates are always the chips on the cookies.

hey Blackcap

Im a complete novice of course, this is as far as I have got collecting chalons as the prices are rapidly accelerating for good chalons and I am but a poor sheep shepherdress.




Here in NZ there are some very reputable dealers. If you look at the latest Auckland City Stamps and other pages like StampsNZ there is a wealth of imformation.

Below I will link you with the latest auction from ACS and the other above link.

https://aucklandcitystamps.co.nz/au...auction-232/ I would look at page 7 directly with some shown on photo plate 2.

https://stampsnz.com/1855_full_face...forated.html

I believe Bob Odenweller has done most of the certs for these. Good luck and happy hunting.

Lostandfound - your second link is excellent. The first one has left me a little lost as to why you included a US mint sheet post in a thread about NZ Chalons.

Wow did not expect the replies so quickly. Thanks for all the info. I have 3 Chalons at present.1 Imperf and 2 perforated. Tried to upload the pics but for some reason it does not allow it. I am not that great at tech but will try some more later when I have time.
I have been looking at Trademe.co.nz and there are some members of the NZ Stamp Dealers Association so that give some peace of mind. Now that we are confined by Covid19 it does limit the opportunities somewhat.
So interested as to how the issues arose and their evolution back in the late 1,800's so looks like I will be doing some more research in the coming weeks.
Looks like my image is sideon but I managed to get one it. This is one of the three.
Thanks to everyone for replying. Will have a look at some of the sites.

I would recommend the Stanley Gibbons New Zealand Catalogues.

Ist Identify what you have.
Referred to as the "Full Face Queens"

1855 The London Prints
1855 The Richardson Prints on Blue paper
1858 Richardson prints on White paper
1862 John Davies printings
1862 Printings on pelure paper
1864 The NZ Watermark

HAHA! who knows what one does when the wine is flowing and the fingers are stumblin! thank you for that I will edit and delete... oh funny but inappropriate of course. I must have got excited about learning to do links!

Just curious, what's the best way to identify forgeries?

And, where would be the best place to have a Full Face Queen certified?

Not that I have any FFQ's, I just noticed an offering on ebay that looked very suspicious.

Thanks.

Blackcap,

That image you posted seems to be a photograph. Most of those you'll see on this site are done with scanners. Even a fairly inexpensive one will do a good job and prove a great asset.

Emaxim,

Yes I took that picture with my phone.

Another question. I house my stamps in lighthouse stockbooks. Is this suitable for the older Chalons? Or should I invest in something that protects them better?
Like another poster said... what is a good way of identifying frauds?
It would not be that hard to print a whole bunch with a good scanner and using some old paper cutting some good imper Chalons and selling them on the websites such as Trademe or ebay.
How do you stamp collectors that have been in the business for a while differentiate between real and fake or is it a trust your gut and credentials of seller type situation?

You could start here - also has a few links at the bottom of the page

http://stampforgeries.com/forged-st...new-zealand/

You really want the Campbell-Paterson catalog from NZ for anything in depth with the country. You can pick up a used one reasonably easily and once you habe it if you wish the current version C-P will sell you an update. It's loose leaf and sits flat while using...

I too use Lighthouse stockbooks. I should think that the glassine interleaving would provide adequate protection. But I'm no authority.

Yet another amateur question Even though I have only begun sort out, is noteable that I have put some of these inappopriately into the wrong size sheet? or have I answered my own question..