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1851 3c Imperf Heaven Or Hell

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Posted 04/29/2020   3:18 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add rlsny to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
There are some things I know and some things I know I don't know. I am working on some 3c imperfs and the album is full of the previous owners markings. He's marked many of these as double and triple transfers. Though I can recognize more obvious double transfers, I know I don't know this area well. So if you are so inclined, have a look. I won't be surprised if the person saw things that aren't there.

The first 4 on the top row were marked double transfer. The last 2 on the top were marked triple transfer. I see some, but there is no way I can verify this myself.

The second row is just for entertainment. No double transfers, but some nice looking stamps. If you see a stamp there that might be worth me taking a harder look at, please let me know.

I can provide a more detailed image of any one of these if you need to see more detail.

(for those who don't know me: I break down collections for resale. I find so much great knowledge here and I donate to SCF to show my appreciation)


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Looking at these images now, I realize that they probably do not show enough detail for transfers. I should probably do them as separate files. I'll get on that.
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Posted 04/29/2020   3:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here they are as individual images. Top row only.






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Posted 04/29/2020   3:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I don't see anything special about this group. I do collect double transfers; my experience is that they are usually in the lettering or the rosettes.
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Posted 04/29/2020   8:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Caper123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
None appear to be double/triple transfers to my eyes.
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Posted 04/29/2020   11:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
lol - thanks guys

The dark stamp on the second row was marked Plum. Just discolored or how would you describe that?

The third stamp on the bottom looks like a candidate for a #10 - anyone want to give that a look?
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Posted 04/30/2020   10:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
2nd stamp at bottom looks likely sulfuretted. That often makes these look more plum like.

3rd stamp does not look orange brown.
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Posted 04/30/2020   11:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No one can really tell shades on a PC, especially subtle shades.
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Posted 04/30/2020   11:21 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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No one can really tell shades on a PC, especially subtle shades.


I totally agree but the stamp doesn't exhibit the fine engraving one often sees on OBs, and, instead looks more like a later - circa 1855+ era printing.
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Posted 04/30/2020   11:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
OK, I'm going to attempt to plate that one stamp - I'm not very good at it, but will give it a shot. Anyone want to suggest a starting point?

I also want to say thanks. Even though none of these are turning out to have any significant value, you've saved me a lot of headache trying to sweat out what is and isn't there. Now I can just add these to my 11s and 11As and move on.

Here's the one I want to work on some more:


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Posted 04/30/2020   11:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I do agree that a knowledgeable collector can tell a lot from the impressions, I do so with first issue revenues.
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Posted 04/30/2020   12:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That's a better scan. Its probably worth trying to plate it, to be sure. I don't have time to do that now unfortunately.
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Posted 04/30/2020   1:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stampcrow to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
On my screen that stamp has more of a Yellow Rose Red look.
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If this were my stamp and I was needing to plate it I would start with plate 5L. That advice and $6.00 will get you an overpriced cup of coffee.
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Posted 04/30/2020   1:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
5L is where I'd start as well.
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That is a huge jump to go from "here is a stamp" to "5L". For those trying to learn the baby steps, what are the basic characteristics which pointed toward 5L, versus some other plate?
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