US SC #39 Var W/ Extremely Rare Magenta "Presentation" Precancel. Scott $21,000.

The listing on ebay. Is this what it is represented to be? TIA

There is no link to the item.

I did a search and found this -

https://www.ebay.com/itm/US-Sc-39-v...AOSwnNVfy9qx

Found the same. Thanks txstamp.

Two things. One, for something this rare no cert, no bid. Two, a starting bid that low does not speak well either for the lot or the seller.

The seller isn't even offering to certify it for the winner.

At first look it appears to be the typical magenta presentation cancel, believed to be associated with some sort of specimen, plate proof-pull or similar.

These are found on, I think all, of the 1857 issue stamps.
I have a pair of #24's as such.

This should not be considered as a used stamp, by the way.
It is a type of specimen or proof pulled from the regular plate.

edit: Siegel has sold a number of these, and they seem to hammer around $425-$650 + tip. They are neat items to be sure, but certainly not $21K items at all!

I agree with txstamp on what it is. I, too, find it odd that this $21K 'CV' 'stamp' hasn't been certed. If I were the seller, I would know that such a stamp would bring a LOT more with a cert. So, just for that I would be leery. As for the starting price, when I was selling on ebay, I started all my stamps at $0.99. I think it brought more action, and it didn't make me look greedy. Granted, that was 20-25 years ago, and the ebay experience is completely different now, but a seller opening at a ridiculously low start only means that he (1) wants to sell it, and (2) probably thinks the action that results is good for the final realization. Whatever the seller's motivation, I don't see it as a warning flag. Of course, YMMV.

I have had a number of these types. Mostly 37's and I have a photo of this stamp that I had from a junk lot:

These 2 had lines on PF Search were clean...

496285
420635

I am old hand on ebay but n00b to serious philatelic auction houses. I have never seen ebay seller offer to certify piece before shipping, usually ebay seller would get that sorted before putting on ebay. At max, offer money back if it comes back not genuine. I am still trying to wrap my head around serious philatelic auction house practice of 'extension', certifying on behalf of seller after purchase, that practice seems quite bizarre and old-school to me

Seller in question has long history with good feedback and listings going well into 4 digits-most without certs-although I don't see another quite to $21k level

Auction is also public- no bidders ID's hidden for what that's worth.

Feedback is meaningless. Sounds as if the seller has a client base that likes to gamble or is clueless as to what they actually purchased. The stamp is not worth $21,000, ever. Ever. Full Stop. So where did the seller get that number from? What is it based upon? That seller is trolling for uneducated suckers. Just one man's opinion of course.

Cheers

Edit : Took a closer look at the sellers sold listings. LOL Lots of "rare" stamps in "rare colors" with faults, reperfed, entire replaced corners. Yup, another huckster of "Rare $5000 stamp in Rare Ultramarine Shade with Rare cancel" stamps that end up selling for $100 to some poor schmuck who thinks they scored.

Good grief man.

All denominations of the 1857-60 set exist with either magenta or black crossed lines, most with magenta. The rumor is they were cancelled this way as a means of demonetizing them prior to being given away.The term presentation copy is sometimes used. They are mentioned somewhere in the 1¢ books. I put together a complete set of all denominations in the early 80's. In January of this year I saw a different 90¢. I would classify them as uncommon, but not rare.

Thank you all for the information. It does make a potential buyer wonder about the authentensity (SP?).
US $493.88
Enter US $498.88 or more
[ 20 bids ]
At 10:55 EST today. With 333:19 to go.

appears to have sold for $891.89

A bunch that Siegel has sold:

https://siegelauctions.com/lot_grd....nwwin=ql9449