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Germany MI # 104 Plate Flaw Unknown?

 
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Posted 12/12/2020   10:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add cupram to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
The stamp shows the deformation at the bottom of D and the connection at the top of U with T.
The variety is not registered in cat.Michel and I hope that someone knows additional information or possibly has the same stamp.




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Posted 12/12/2020   12:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The 'U and T" touch on my stamps .
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Posted 12/12/2020   12:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Kohl Briefmarken Handbuch Deutsches Reich 1872-1925 generally has a few more details than the Michel Deutschland Spezial with this era, and it makes no mention of such a printing variety.

I did a short search through my stock (approx 150) of Mi #104 and found a wide variety of shapes of the bottom serif on the "D" of Deutsches. The variety you show is very common. There are other varieties; these three are are just representative of Mi. #104.

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Edited by bookbndrbob - 12/12/2020 6:04 pm
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Thank you floortrader and bookbndrbob.
Do I understand that there are varieties of printing and not due to plate flaws?
My stamp doesn't look to be overinked.
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Posted 12/12/2020   3:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I suspect that there are slight variations in the printing plates, rather than there being differences caused solely by inking.

It would be interesting to see a complete pane of #104.
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Posted 12/12/2020   5:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hornet785 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

For the Mi.Nr.104, there is one for the color plate Grill H-6 position 94 partial issue (Scarce). Black plate are minors.

Best regards

Hornet

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Edited by hornet785 - 12/12/2020 5:36 pm
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Posted 12/12/2020   6:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks hornet785.

What is your source for the plate variety information?

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Posted 12/12/2020   6:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hornet785 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

My German community at Stampsx and altpostgeschichte which was an "on invitation only" forum now added under DASV since recently. You can go to my friend's site which is Phila-DB.

Salutations
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In the Infa-Berlin's work Deutsche Inflation 1916-1923 / Die Germania-Ausgaben der Inflationszeit ab Mi.-Nr. 140 ' Teil 1: Eiinführung, there is a brief discussion of printing inconsistencies within the title area. They attribute much of it to a lack of care in the printing process, primarily failure to clean the equipment leading to the introduction of dust, dirt, etc. As a result, there are hundreds of repeated errors, though I'm not sure whether you could really consider them plate flaws. Some can be traced to specific positions, but not all. They also note that for most, there is no premium over a normal stamp.

As to the "D" in question, it was common across several values for the "D" to be under-inked on (or lose completely) the top serif and over-inked on the bottom serif.
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I don't have access to my stamps at the moment, but here are the title blocks from the four copies (MiNr. 104 a, b, c, & d) that I have scanned for my website. A lot of variations, especially with the "D".
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Posted 12/12/2020   6:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add hornet785 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi,

Yes exactly after Nr.140 which are the 1920 Germania Serie.

Regards

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Posted 12/13/2020   3:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cupram to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you all.
Very good information. I still wonder why Michel doesn't record these plate flaws like the one indicated by Hornet.
I have also seen plate flaw recorded in the catalog, even if they appear on partial issues. (teilauf)
Tomorrow I will post some cases in which plate flaws recorded in Michel are not found in the sheet.
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There are so many plate flaws that Michel couldn't possibly list them all...it would make the volume too expensive. So, they list those which are the most outstanding, and the expertizers will mark them with the Michel PF #.

Specialists and study groups have published volumes on particular series. Sometimes Michel references them in their plate flaw listings, such as those for the Berlin buildings series of 1949.
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Official stamp of the Democratic Republic of Germany Mi # 35yBY (paper with textile fiber, perf. K14 and Wmk.3Y)
These plate flaw (35PF I, II and III) were not registered in the Michel catalog from 2011. They appear in the 2019 edition (thanks to PostmasterGS for this edition) but they seem to be wrong (for PFII it does not indicate the field, and for PFI and PFIII does not indicate that they appear in partial emissions)
I bought a sheet with no. 89231 and I did not find any of these plate flaw. Following the discussion with the stamp dealer, he confirmed to me that in the sheets with odd number in field 79 constantly appears "P broken" and in those with even number appears PF III indicated in catalog.
I bought another sheet with no. 88758 in which I found only PF III (broken line, field 79)
I wonder if the introduction in the catalog of a plate flaw for this stamp (total value PFI, II and III is 300 Euro) does not aim to sell the sheets in stock of the dealers.
I am curious on the basis of which objective evidence (and proven by whom?) were introduced in the 2019 catalog these plate flaws without complete information.










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