Cancellation Queries

The top two images [Scott #419 & C18] have numerical cancellations which I cannot trace

The lower two images show what might [or might not] be 'Bars & Line' or 'Box' type precancels

Any information would be welcome.

Regards

Tony

Top two are duplex cancels, bottom 2 are slogan cancels.

Slogan cancel example





Duplex cancel (duplex meaning CDS & Killer)

Thank you

regards

Tony

Hi Stallzer
I've found reference to slogan cancellation, not in my Scott catalog, but in a Google search.
Following your reply I'm left with three unknowns – attached
[The RSE NY overprint on the Liberty stamp does not yield anything from a Google search]

Can you help?

Another question are precancels ONLY on regular 'square' sized stamps [such as the presidential issues]?

Regards
Tony

Tony, will need a larger scan of the first stamp. One of the resident pre-cancel collectors hopefully will chime in. The 2nd stamp (upside down one) is just a standard cancel with a CDS (circular date stamp). It is called a Four-Bar postmark if I'm not mistaken, hopefully someone will chime in if I'm wrong. The Church street stamp is a mail station, very common for this era and that particular station saw billions of letters. For the Pre-ccancels no they were not just on the Prexies and both definitive and commemorative issues were pre-cancelled.

*edited for butchering the English language*

Hi Tony,

A close-up of just the Statue of Liberty stamp would be helpful.

Second stamp has a "4-Bar" cancel on it, a device made of rubber and common to small and medium-sized offices.



Third stamp shows a portion a machine cancel from New York City's Church Street Station, resembling a slogan in overall format.



To paint with a broad brush, yes, precancels are generally intended to be used on small-sized stamps, but the precancel specialists can provide a more detailed answer of the postal rules and how they were bent. Sufficient to say, the vast majority you will find will be on small-sized stamps.

Two U.S. slogan cancel references come to mind:
Moe Luff's "United States Postal Slogan Cancel Catalog", 2nd Ed, 1975.
The Machine Cancel Society's "United States Slogan Cancellations, 1899-1940".
Both have the limitation of cutting off the modern material.
It may be easiest to post your images here.

(LOL, Stallzer and I were typing at the same time!)

Add:
The two slogan cancels illustrated in the first post are:





Both were used in many cities.

rescan of liberty stamp - 1200 and resized in ps
hope this helps

Tony, I believe the cancel on the Statue of Liberty stamp is Jersey City, New Jersey.

The Statue of Liberty is easily visible from Jersey City.