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Need Info On Unusual Paraguayan Stamp

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Posted 02/07/2021   6:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Rob041256 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Here is a joined pair of UPU stamps from Paraguay with a reverse stamp at the bottom, can anyone shed any light on it.



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Posted 02/07/2021   9:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add bookbndrbob to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This doesn't look like any modern Paraguayan stamp I am familiar with, and yet it is denominated in guaranies, which have only been in use since 1994.

So, my guess is that this is a private printing by someone having fun.
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Posted 02/07/2021   9:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Aussie Al to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe try in a different category than Australian .
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Posted 02/07/2021   10:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Had it been genuine
I have a genuine Paraguayan RV = Recto-Verso Recto et Verso.
The punctures on the OP are not creased, so It was printed that way.


Interesting nonetheless.
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Edited by rod222 - 02/07/2021 10:26 pm
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Posted 02/07/2021   11:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob041256 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Aussie Al

I realised that after I posted it. I'm going to repost it in the appropriate section.

Rob
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Posted 02/07/2021   11:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob041256 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi rod222

You said "Had it been genuine". What do you mean? I do not own this stamp, I know the person who does. I'm quite interested in your response.

Rob
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Posted 02/08/2021   12:29 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I cannot see it mentioned anywhere, I cannot see how it would have been produced.
Guaranies were used since 1944 so I am presuming a Sc#649 (1968)
I do not have a copy of that stamp.

Happy to be corrected, let's see if it occurs anywhere else on the planet, or, how it may have been produced.
Surely, an extraordinary example like this should be catalogued or mentioned somewhere.
Could you ask your colleague if is printed on rose tinted paper please.
P11?
Has it been tested for Wmk?
Information supplied is scarce.


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Edited by rod222 - 02/08/2021 12:51 am
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Posted 02/08/2021   01:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob041256 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Rod

I'll ask the owner.

Rob
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Posted 02/09/2021   3:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I gotta say,
this basic (normal) stamp is the most intriguing I have come across,
more difficult than the low value Austrian equivalent
(a 20c stamp that's very hard to find)

I (almost) defy anyone to find an image on the internet
of the 3 Guaranie Coat of Arms.

I have seen sets and collections, the 3g is always missing.

Anyone have a Michel number for this one?
I'll try searching that (Sc#649 1962)
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Edited by rod222 - 02/09/2021 3:54 pm
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Posted 02/10/2021   11:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The use of the Guaranie started in 1944.I think the stamp dates from 1957.
Must of been a special printing of some sort in hommage to Juansilvano Godoi de Vargas.Vargas catalog exists for Paraguay stamps,so maybe something related..



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Silvano_Godoi
He may be related to the 'Vargas' of the catalog.Just a guess...
https://www.olx.com.ar/item/block-2...d-1067899951
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Edited by perf12 - 02/10/2021 1:33 pm
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Posted 02/10/2021   12:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Little mysteries like this are one reason I love philately.
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Posted 02/10/2021   3:02 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bravo! Perf12, You have done it again.
Your powers of research are legendary.

The closest we have come to finding a route to the pair.
Time to approach Paraguayan Stamp societies.
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Posted 02/10/2021   3:51 pm  Show Profile Check gmot's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add gmot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, an elusive item. It seems to appears to be Michel 1152 & issued in 1968, but can't find it for sale anywhere either.
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Posted 02/10/2021   10:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Most likely used as a revenue stamp and not listed in a postage stamp catalog . It looks like a revenue cancel .
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Edited by floortrader - 02/10/2021 11:13 pm
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Posted 02/11/2021   09:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add perf12 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 02/11/2021   09:48 am  Show Profile Check gmot's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add gmot to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting!

Translation from Italian -
<<I have examined the fragment of the envelope that bears a postage stamp from Paraguay, [stamp ID info], canceled, which is printed in mirror image. This variety, due to an error during the preparation of the lithographic plate, is constant in position 35 of the sheet. A photographic reproduction is presented here. In my opinion, the fragment is original and the stamp, with its interesting variety, is perfect, signed ED.>>

~Greg
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