Experience With The Scott Specialized Brazil Album And The 1918-41 Definitives

I am currently deconstructing a portion of a Scott Specialized Brazil album. Of course I ran into the 1918-41 definitives, the serie vovo.

Steiner lists 149 spaces for the series. Does the Scott Specialized Brazil Album have spaces for all of these?? It is my understanding that the Big Blue leaves some orphans. Does the specialized album do that too? I'm not familiar with Scott albums.

The reason I'm asking is that the collector appears to have been at least an intermediate collector (Dennison hinges, split-back mounts for mint, variations noted etc.) but the identifications for this series are frequently incorrect. I get the impression that there were insufficient spaces and he/she just put them where there was an empty space.

I know watermarking this series is a pain+ but when you find a stamp in a space that should have an echelon type watermarking (staggered) but the stamp itself doesn't, it is either a rookie mistake or just frustration with the lack of space.

Any help would be appreciated. It's driving me crazy.

Dan

This term is unfamiliar to me, please explain.




Are you sure?
Scott explains after #257 1922
Because of the spacing of the Wmk, a few stamps in each sheet show no Wmk.

I watermark Brazil definitives, in short bursts, it is a frustrating exercise.

Rod222...

It's the definitive series running 1920 -1941.

Believe it translates to "grandma". Yet the rational for the attribution eludes me.

Very helpful discussion re watermarking this challenging series. "Big Blue" blogspot. Nov 18, 2013

The country albums should be complete for Scott major numbers. Even newer albums used old page formats, so that sets according to Scott may be broken up over several pages as I am sure you have found. That said, are all the pages there? The few Scott albums I own (French colonies, for example) are all secondhand and were missing pages here and there. So if the previous owner had a secondhand one, missing pages could explain stamps in the wrong places.

But you might have hit the nail on the head. There are some people that don't care about watermarks plus there are some people that are just plain bad at identifying watermarks. There are more than a few stamp dealers who you would think would know better but are really bad at watermarks.

I will put aside a group like those Brazil definitives (I do have some set aside, actually) until I really get into the mood to watermark them. Doing them at the same time makes it easier to separate watermarks. You can hopefully find very clear ones for comparison to help with the unclear ones.

I recently broke down an old Brazil collection in which the previous owner was "challenged" by watermarks to say the least and it drove me a little batty - so completely sympathize!

That kinda makes sense to me,
My favourite biscuit is the "Iced VoVo"...a crsipy biscuit with Jam and coconut topping...Grandma seems to offer a link to the origin.




Nicely put, I follow a similar regime.

Rod,

Série vovó is a nickname for this definitive series, much like the US President series we call "the Prexies". As Calstamp points out, it means the "Grandma series." It is my understanding that it got this nickname because it was around so long....

I agree that some watermarks are subtle and difficult to identify but to confuse an echelon-type watermark with a non-echelon type watermark didn't make sense to me. I thought there might be an alternative explanation.

Dan

Calstamp,




I agree 100% It is a must-read if you really want to get your head around Brazil watermarks. I refer to it often.

Dan

hy-brasil,

The commemorative issues seem to run in order so I don't believe there are many, if any, pages missing. Missing pages still wouldn't account for a stamp being misplaced.

I bought this collection to fill some holes and get better copies of the pre-1940 issues. I'm finding that some of the holes I had hoped to fill won't get filled because the collector misidentified the stamp.

I'm going to chalk it up to the collector being an I-don't-give-a-hoot about watermarks collector or was just a very lousy watermarker.

Dan

That's the method I use too. This winter was my time to hit the stash I have. You really do have to be in the zone to watermark these stamps!

Dan

Place in the "watermark box" with Mexico air mails, China "junks", and early South Africa issues.

Gotta be in the right state of mind.

Right! Thanks for that Dan.