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Fake Or Real George Snow Affixing Machine Dispensed Stamp #24 Plate 8?

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Posted 03/07/2021   08:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Dutch US Stamp Collector to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
this came in a lot I got in the UK, it was a 1 cent franklin exhibition sheet lot.
wondering if there is an expert that can verify if this is real?


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Posted 03/07/2021   08:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I do not believe there were affixing machines that early. Some clerk (?) probably cut this with scissors


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Posted 03/07/2021   08:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The typed description means nothing without having it looked at. This is the first I've ever heard about a 1¢ being perforated by his invention. Pretty sure little is known about him and it wasn't even discovered until the 1940's.

Here is a little info. See lot 63


https://stampauctionnetwork.com/v/v30024.cfm
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Posted 03/07/2021   08:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dutch US Stamp Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
peter,

if interested read this:

https://db.kelleherauctions.com/php...=3002&lot=63

they did exist and were patented before this date on cover.
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Posted 03/07/2021   08:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Snow patent has been written up several times including by Ken Lawrence in the American Philatelist (November 1993, page 1020+, and probably other times as well) and recently by Arthur Groten in the American Stamp Dealer and Collector magazine, January 2018.
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Posted 03/07/2021   08:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add GMC89 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
https://db.kelleherauctions.com/php...=3002&lot=63
George Snow and his remarkable machine
I would think it would require expertizing
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Posted 03/07/2021   08:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dutch US Stamp Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
stallzer, thank you, I did find this also.

who would be the one to look at it, who would be the expert?
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Posted 03/07/2021   08:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My choice would be the PF
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Posted 03/07/2021   08:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dutch US Stamp Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
john, so 1 of them would be the go to person?
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Posted 03/07/2021   08:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No, go to a certifying organization.

Anyone who has had a large stack of letters to stamp knows how much easier it is to tear (or cut) the stamps into strips and apply them from the strip. Thus the convenience of coils. Finding a stamp cut in one direction and torn in the other is not uncommon. This stamp has that appearance - whether cut into strips for manual application or for passage through a Snow applicator. The experts will know the features to look for, although the odds are long.
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Posted 03/07/2021   08:52 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dutch US Stamp Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
i just googled but the articles are not on line...or at least not accessible for Europe

i know it is a huge ask of someones time...but I would absolutely love a scan of them
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Posted 03/07/2021   08:54 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dutch US Stamp Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
ok, I will send it in to the PF. I would need to add ac-comping letter right...to explain what I hope for ;-)
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Posted 03/07/2021   08:58 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Before I submitted it I'd probably do some further research. Finding perforated 1¢ Franklins with scissor cuts are quite common.






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Posted 03/07/2021   09:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add GMC89 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You could try emailing APS or Kellehers for a recommendation. Point of fact,
In this forum there seems to be a preference for PF.
APS and Kellehers have always been responsive to my queries
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Edited by GMC89 - 03/07/2021 09:10 am
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Posted 03/07/2021   09:47 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dutch US Stamp Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
GMC89 thanks for the tip, I am a client at Kellehers so I will first do that
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Posted 03/07/2021   5:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dutch US Stamp Collector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Update: Max from Kelleher replied:

Good day and thanks for sending,

I showed to Mr. Coogle as well and he said it "looks good". He'd recommend PF but feels it will be genuine.

Hope that helps.


i will be sending this in to the PF and update when I hear back, I am not getting my hopes up to high....but lets wait and see
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