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Looking For West Point NY Precancels - Type 704 - Not 1-Cent Green Franklin

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Posted 04/18/2021   1:20 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add usma74 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I'm Looking for WEST POINT NY Precancels - Type 704 - any except 1-cent green Franklin.

These are not particularly valuable, but I'm having difficulty finding any.

Can anyone help?
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Posted 04/18/2021   1:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Welcome to the forum. Have you tried www.precancels.com ?


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Posted 04/18/2021   1:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add usma74 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm joining the Precancel Society. I've reached out to a few of the dealers without any success yet. I have one-cent Franklins (Scott 632) in both Type 622 and Type 704, but looking for the other stamp varieties in the Type 704.
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Posted 04/19/2021   09:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add chasa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Leahy NY State precancel catalog lists these denominations available.


I have the 1932 Olympics as part of my collection....

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Posted 04/19/2021   10:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add usma74 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks - nice stamp - I've got my eyes out for more.

I'm assembling a collection of philatelic items related to the United States Military Academy at West Point. I recently published a book, "Postmarked West Point: A US Postal History of West Point and its Graduates." I only found out about the West Point, NY precancels after it was published. They'll make it into the next edition. What I've got so far is in the attached pic. I want to add the additional Scott varieties in the Type 704.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08SFZCVS...80_397514860
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Edited by usma74 - 04/19/2021 10:29 am
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Posted 04/19/2021   1:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You may also want to look for the precanceled stamps still on the mailed item, postcard, letter, package, magazine, etc.

I have not seen your book nor understand how you looked for material. However, if you search eBay with "West Point" in United States (Stamps) you will find many items which will include precancels. Of course, you will see everything West Point from the various post offices with West Point as part of the name.

That said, I am posting some examples of what is listed now in that search.

So you did not know about the precancels, did you know about the slogan cancel?



More interesting version--



Precancel Stamps (yes, wrong state)--



Incoming "Official"--



More Incoming--





Outgoing--

"Penalty Mail"



Normal
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Edited by Parcelpostguy - 04/19/2021 11:29 pm
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Thanks - yes, eBay and I are longtime friends! In fact, one of the covers you posted is one of my listings (USMA74)
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Posted 04/19/2021   4:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I only posted the first cover due to the connection it has with U.C. Berkeley, being an alumni and all; of course we used Latin, Fiat Lux.
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I will continue on the non-precancel tangent ...

Cover sent in the fall of 1857 from Greencastle, Indiana addressed to:
Thomas J(efferson) Lee
Army in Utah 10th
Regiment of Infantry
Salt Lake City
Utah Territory
Lee graduated in the class of 1857, from Indiana.


Cover sent Sept 24, (1856) from Richmond, Indiana addressed to:
Cadet William H. Woods
Military Academy
West Point
New York
Woods would have been in the class of May 1861, but he died of consumption on May 27, 1857, near the end of his first year. He is buried in the USMA Post Cemetery.


Cover sent Oct 28, (1867) from Attica, Indiana addressed to:
Milton F. Milford
US Military Academy
West Point
New York.
Milford was admitted from Indiana in 1867 to the class of 1871, but did not graduate.


Cover mailed from West Point, New York by F(redrick) A(rley) Ingalls to his mother Mrs W(illiam) B(arber) Ingalls in DeSoto, Missouri. Nice American flag machine cancel postmarked March 28, 1920, his mother Amanda C. Ingalls died 8 days later on April 5, 1921. Fred Ingalls' son James Maclay Ingalls also attended West Point.


No contents in any of these.
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Edited by John Becker - 04/20/2021 12:13 am
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The postmaster's position at West Point, NY, between 1836 and 1897, was a family affair:

Claudius Berard -- appointed November 1,1836 (Died May 6, 1848)
Mary Berard -- appointed May 12, 1848
Miss Augusta Blanche Berard -- appointed June 15, 1871

Mary Berard was the wife of Claudius, and assumed the position when he died in 1848. Augusta Blanche was their daughter, and she took over the position when her Mother died. Augusta served in the position until she was replaced by Mary R. Newlands on May 13, 1897.

[NOTE: Appointment data taken form the USPS Postmaster Finder website]

Postmaster appointments to Presidential Offices were made by the President, and then approved by the Senate. Prior to the actual appointment, the Postmaster General's office would notify the candidate postmaster of their pending appointment (or nomination) by a Department form letter.

The following documents chronicle part of their roles as Postmaster:

Mary Berard's Postmaster Commission issued (and signed) by James Buchanan on Mar 25, 1857.
[NOTE: This document is not from my collection, but is the illustration from an auction catalog]



The letter sent by Postmaster General John A J Creswell to Mary Berard, dated Jan 23, 1871, nominating her for another term in the position of postmaster at West Point, NY. [From my collection]



The letter sent by Acting Postmaster General A. D. Lyman to Augusta Blanche Berard, dated March 15, 1884. nominating her for another term in the position of postmaster at West Point, NY. [From my collection]



Augusta Blanche Berard's Postmaster Commission issued (and signed) by Chester A Arthur, on Mar 25, 1884.
[NOTE: This document is not from my collection, but is the illustration from an auction catalog]



And finally...

Augusta Blanche Berard's Postmaster Commission issued (and signed) by Grover Cleveland, on Feb 2, 1897.
[From my collection]

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WOW! I'm in the middle of writing a 40-50pp article on the history of the WP Post Office, and would love to talk to you about these. *** Edited by Staff - Please Review the rules that you agreed to when you registered. ***
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Please set your account to receive emails and I will contact you.
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Posted 04/20/2021   2:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The OP needs 50 posts before he can do that


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The OP cannot accept or send emails until he has 50 quality posts. He will get there.
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Thanks guys. I wasn't thinking clearly.
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