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With the upcoming Peterson auction I've been researching this topic. Other than the 3c and the 10c, it would appear there was just a single sheet of 200 made for each of the "August" issues. These were stamps requested by the government prior to the final printing of the 1861 issues.
On the Swedish Tiger site this number 200 is also listed except for #60 (aka 70TC6) for which it states there were 479 produced.
That seems like an odd number and I don't see that anywhere else.
Also I note that Siegel has a census for many of these stamps, but not the #60. The PF shows 39 certs for #60/70TC6.
So my questions come down to: how many #60s were made? is there a census regarding how many exist?
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From Siegel: Quote: In 1861, the contract for printing postage stamps was awarded to National Bank Note Company after Toppan Carpenter's contract expired on June 10. The designs were changed and the earlier stamps were demonetized, primarily as a means of depriving the seceding states of a form of currency.
National Bank Note Company apparently submitted gummed and perforated samples of their designs. Of the original submitted designs, the 24c and 30c were not altered in any way before approval and use. The original samples for these two denominations were printed in a different shade, and are currently listed in the Trial Color Proof section of Scott Catalogue. A quantity of the 10c First Design was printed and issued from this original plate, although they were likely printed after the normal stamp (Scott 68) was issued. The likely reason is that the original plate was brought into use to keep up with demand for the 10c stamps. Therefore, only the 10c, 24c and 30c plates as originally made were used to print issued stamps. The other denominations -- 1c, 3c, 5c, 12c and 90c -- Scott Nos. 55, 56, 57, 59 and 62 -- were never issued in their original designs. These are called "Premiere Gravures" or "First Designs" by students of the issue.
It is likely that a small supply of the "Premiere Gravures" and First Colors reached philatelic hands at an early stage. Several First Design denominations are known cancelled -- a 12c is known with manuscript "New" written across the design -- but the placement and style of cancel means that they cannot conclusively be shown to have gone through the mails, and are likely experimental or control cancels.
Two examples of the 24c with target cancels are known. The other surfaced as a new find and was offered in our 2016 Rarities sale, with a similar cancel but without the note regarding the cancel.
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I've seen that. There is some more detailed stuff on some old chronicles and other publications. The more detailed stories talk about the government contract stipulating the delivery of samples of each denomination prior to the final go-ahead with the 1861 printing. That seems to be why the "August issues" were made. It makes sense that there was one sheet of 200 each, but I'd love to find some confirmation and some more authoritative work on #60. |
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I think that the Swedish Tiger is using numbers pulled from the Atlanta proofs and the 1875 Special Printings. Neither is correct for the 60/70TC6. |
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As I have shown my 24c deep violet premiere #60 design in post last year, I would like to confirm that 24c design was postally used as noted by Siegel. So there must have been a few hundred releases to P O in 1861.  |
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This is incorrect. I believe there are only 2 certified used copies of #60. The consensus is that they were not ever made available for postal use. So those two stamps are a very rare exception. Yours could theoretically be number 3, but that's all. |
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I've still been trying to look into this topic. It appears some important details have been lost to history. Here's the most authoritative statement I found on the creation of the first issue plates. From a document on the Siegel website:
"Company records show that the eight plates for the 1861 stamps were completed between June 15 and 19, and that these plates — numbered 1 through 8 and containing 200 subjects each — were made from the first dies engraved for each value."
It is well known that 5 of the 8 stamp designs were modified before the final printing later in 1861. The 24c and 30c plates were used as originally produced with a change in color only.
This much many of you already know. But how many of the stamps were produced from those first plates and with those first colors I still haven't found. The information on Swedish Tiger is suspect, but the idea that just one sheet of 200 subjects was produced is not crazy given how scarce the stamps are today with typically fewer than 50 known examples of each.
Though the controversy over where in the catalog these stamps belong seems to be settled, details of why the 5 plate designs were changed don't appear to be known. (Though theories abound.) The process that occurred between the government and the National Banknote company to review the "premiere gravure" printings is not documented.
So, I'll keep trolling the internet to see if anything else is hiding out there, but it looks like I'll have to live with the ambiguity. |
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I was interested in this post. As the publisher of the Swedishtiger website I can confirm that the number quoted was inaccurate. My sincere apologies for this inaccuracy. As I write the quantity issued is being changed on the website to read 'not known'. The page for #60 is a 2003 created page. Bit by bit I am updating the pages. The 2021 pages are in a much updated format and, hopefully, more accurate. Having said that, I beg any one that spots an error on the website to let me know. The website is a collaboration of information from people like you, a correct change is a wonderful assed to have. |
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Great to have you here theswedish. The site has been useful to many of us over the years. |
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