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Can Anyone Tell Me About This Stamp From The Kelleher Auction - 82e?

 
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Posted 08/07/2021   5:25 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add rlsny to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I wanted to wait until the lot was sold to ask, but I find this stamp intriguing. It doesn't seem to be listed either in Scott or any reference I could find on 1867 grill essays. It was part of the lot 2188. Was Bill's identification correct?


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Posted 08/07/2021   6:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Perhaps some creative license on Bill's part. This description from Siegel suggests that there was no approval process for the "B" grill which required an essay.


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The shade and thinner paper of the 3c B Grill stamps are more typical of the mid-1868 printings and quite different from the paler Rose shades and thick paper of the 1867 and early 1868 3c grilled issues (A, C, D, Z and some E production). The shade and paper indicate that the B Grill was implemented after the 1867 experimental period and after the first two months of regular 1868 grill production. Perhaps the B Grill was created during the process of making a replacement grilling device for one of the two machines. The grilling surface must have worn during production of many thousands of sheets, and it seems likely that replacement grills would become necessary in mid-1868. Through miscalculation or possibly deliberate experimentation, the grill size per stamp on this new B Grill device was twice the width of the F Grill. Based on the small number of surviving copies, this wider grill must have been quickly modified or discarded. Sheets with the B Grill made their way into the regular supply and, in the case of the discovery examples, were used in early 1869.
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Posted 08/07/2021   11:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"Perhaps" being the key word. I suspect that he wouldn't say B grill unless the grill was the right shape. It does look points up. It may or may not be an essay for the B grill. Maybe it was some in between test - I guess we don't really know. But as a grill enthusiast I certainly am intrigued by it. The regular Scott 82 has 4 known examples. So the rarity antenna goes up. (As does the potential for fraud I guess.)
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Posted 08/08/2021   12:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
We don't really know indeed. And neither did Bill but he put a price on it. LOL

Where is Bill's background research for claiming it as a B grill essay? Anything other than writing B grill essay and pulling a number out of…someplace.
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Posted 08/08/2021   02:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If one has the stamp to examine, the determination of a "B grill" is not difficult. Points up, count of 22x18 and 18mm x 15 mm. No real work to show, unless one is challenged in counting numbers less than 25 or measuring in millimeters under 20.

If a B grill then it is properly an essay as the B grills were not intended for production and sale to the USPOD as there is no documentation authorizing the B grill. As noted some examples "got out" and over to the USPOD resulting in the four known used copies from one cover used in the mail.

As to value, get a PF Cert, sell it and the value at that time will be seen.

Now if a B grill, the real question is how to tell if this copy was one of the "got out" and sold by the USPOD verses stock not sent to the USPOD.

Risny, did you buy the lot?
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Posted 08/08/2021   08:02 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

It is not a point of counting numbers. It is the question of "is the grill real"? And unless one is challenged it is a no-brainer that the PF MAY be able to make a determination.

First though I would ask myself why Mr. Lang did not get a "$5,000" potentially rare essay certified nor any of it's previous owners if there are any.
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Posted 08/08/2021   3:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rlsny to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No I didn't buy the lot. I think the price it went for wasn't bad considering the potential value in there. Even with the disclaimer: "take note, that some number of items will not be unused or are misidentified ... also, some undetectable faults" But no, that lot was above my pay grade.
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Posted 08/08/2021   7:01 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Billy made lots of unjustified claims. And as Rog said, why did he fail to get a cert for it?
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