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Posted 12/14/2021   12:18 pm  Show Profile Check jomic-3139's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add jomic-3139 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Seeing this one of a kind, in my accumulation of Revs, PN14 on Coupon, lends me to wonder if collecting coupons is a worthwhile endeavor. And how to collect; by postmarks, etc.

Is there cataloging for PNs on coupons?

PS: I'm still learning





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Posted 12/14/2021   9:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Collecting any area of philately can be rewarding.

Collecting the Postal Note stamps on the coupon, or on the entire 3-part form, is the equivalent of the "on cover" aspects of postal history. It tells a bigger story than a mere soaked stamp.

From experience and eBay, the mint and used singles are common. The stamps on the 3-part forms are not particularly rare either as many were intentionally saved uncashed from the first day and last day. Searching for a particular town or station may be difficult, but assembling a random set with a variety of cancels would be fairly inexpensive.

With regard to any catalog, I could see a listing of the form variants, but not anything to the detail of a town-list, since there were about 40,000 most offices in that era, 99 denomination combinations, form variants, and likely more than one device used over the period of use = quite a huge permutation of possibilities. Not gonna happen. Besides, the vast majority are not pricey.

For illustration purposes, here is a used set:


Front and back used on the first day:



For the more unusual, here is the Philatelic Agency order form to buy a set:


Comparison of two form versions used in 1945 and 1951.
Even when missing the 3rd right-most portion, note the font differences on the front, circular vs rectangular punches, separation method has paper removed on the 1951 form, and the reverse side had significant text differences. The more you look, the more different they are!


I suspect there are other form variants, but these were two forms I had handy to serve as an example of the collectibility of Postal Note items. And no, I don't collect them myself.
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Thank you John for your contributions; extremely interesting, especially the order letter! I believe it would be one heck of a challenge to collect a full set of the entire Postal Notes 1c-90c with both coupons still attached! I'll see what's on eBay and get back with an answer here later. John
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Posted 12/15/2021   5:31 pm  Show Profile Check jomic-3139's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jomic-3139 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I walked thru about 9 eBay pages of subject matter, Postal note cards, and found more than I would have expected, about a dozen, with one full set containing both coupons, of PN1 - PN14 "Day of Issue" asking price $360. I did not see any other "Day of Issue" ones. So except for price, they aren't that challenging after all.

As a side note these were discontinued in 1951.
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I notice the coupon in the OP was issued for $2.50 while all the other full Postal Notes seem to be designed for less than $1. Could someone post a full PN with a denomination higher than 99¢?
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The cards were designed to be run through a punch card reader. The rectangular holes signify an IBM card. The holes correspond to the serial number in the upper right corner of the card. I wonder how this information was used by the PO? Was more information keyed into the card?
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Posted 12/21/2021   11:59 am  Show Profile Check jomic-3139's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add jomic-3139 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
GregAlex, after searching all pages on eBay and combing the internet on Postal Notes, I could not find one full one. The closest I could come to answering your question as to value above 99c were the three coupons with as seen below.



A little information on Postal Notes:

Unlike regular postage stamps, which are used to pay the rate for mail delivery, postal note stamps together with the postal note cards, were created to send small amounts of money up to ten dollars to anyone on the mainland of the United States. Similar in use to money orders, the stamps were created to send small amounts at a lower cost per transaction than money orders which were cost prohibitive for small values. The stamps were issued from February 1, 1945 until March 31, 1951.

A good read on PN's is here; https://postalmuseum.si.edu/exhibit...-note-stamps

Anyone have pictures of their late 1800's Postal Notes?
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Germania, Looks like I'll have to surf the net to hopefully come up with an answer your question!

Any idea which machine punched the round holes?

I can see how to read the upper right number by the placement of the holes. I even ran a much card machine, rectangular holes, in the early 70's. They were punch cards used to generate flight plans for us air traffic controllers; sure glad when the computers took over!

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Being curious about the change from circular to rectangular holes, I went to "The Postal Bulletin" and found issue 18997, dated January 16, 1947, which mentions a change in manufacturer:


Consistent with the instructions to continue to use the old stock with circular punches, here is an image copied from eBay used in December 1947, over 11 months later.


I would not be surprised if the circular-punched stock was eventually retired, but I did not look exhaustively at each reference to postal notes in later issues of the Postal Bulletin.
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The yellow plate proof of the 1 cent denomination




Specimen Postal Notes from $0 to $4



Specimen Postal Notes from $5 to $9



Specimen Postal Notes $10, $0, and Duplicate Postal Note

Complete matched set of PN1 - PN18






















A Few Postal Note stubs

I have a more interesting things that I post tomorrow.


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Holy cow even, postagedueguy! Now that's what I call a collection! Thank you sooooooo much for your enlightening inputs. I especially like your yellow 1c plate proof!

It appears from what is written on you post that Remington Rand may be the machine used for punching the round holes. A question from above.

Can't wait for your next post! John
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Holy cow even, postagedueguy! Now that's what I call a collection! Thank you sooooooo much for your enlightening inputs. I especially like your yellow 1c plate proof!


+1! That's a very impressive collection. Thanks, especially, for those Remington Rand specimens that show the various denominations of the full notes. I'm thinking these may also show up in the BEP Certified Proofs. http://goscf.com/t/76998 I'll have to do some digging.
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Holy cow even, postagedueguy! Now that's what I call a collection! Thank you sooooooo much for your enlightening inputs. I especially like your yellow 1c plate proof!

It appears from what is written on you post that Remington Rand may be the machine used for punching the round holes. A question from above.

Can't wait for your next post! John



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That's a very impressive collection. Thanks, especially, for those Remington Rand specimens that show the various denominations of the full notes. I'm thinking these may also show up in the BEP Certified Proofs. http://goscf.com/t/76998 I'll have to do some digging.


Glad you both liked it Here's the next one!

Sheets of PN1 - PN10












I still looking for the others

PN10 sheet showing both over inking and under inking



Set of First Day Covers from Washington D.C. February 1, 1945






More to come after this!

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I am plum falbbergasted!! I just knew you had those full sheet- saw that all groups of 4 corner plate blocks above had the same plate block numbers and couldn't help but to wonder if you had the full sheets.

What a wonderful and informative collection!

A whole collections of full sheets 1c-10c plus a complete collection of used full Postal Notes, 1c-90c is amazing!

Again, thanks soooo much for sharing you wonderful collection. John
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Here's a screenshot of the 90¢ Postal Note stamps in a full press sheet, from the BEP proof collection.



And a link to the image, which you can view in detail if you click on it. If you increase the last digit in the URL by one, you can view all the denominations in the series.

https://americanhistory.si.edu/coll...nmah_1716027
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