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Rest in Peace
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Posted 12/18/2021   9:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Caper123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Unsure what this really is... a double transfer, a wet print, or merely a printing error stamp. Any ideas?

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Posted 12/19/2021   07:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add m and m to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
imo a double transfer. a kiss wet print or poor wiping would show in other identifiable ways.
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Posted 12/19/2021   08:37 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add stallzer to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That is quite the item. I feel like I'm drunk looking at it. If it were mine I'd label it a DT.
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Posted 12/19/2021   08:48 am  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A DT this obvious would already be well known.
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Posted 12/19/2021   09:22 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like a small kiss from a wet print.
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Posted 12/19/2021   1:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Caper123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
IMHO - a wet kiss!
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Posted 12/19/2021   2:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Caper123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Curious, would you classify this 184 the same?

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Posted 12/19/2021   7:09 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add m and m to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
caper
imo your item is an example of a poor wiping job on over inked impression possibly caused by over wet paper.
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Posted 12/19/2021   7:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add m and m to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
after a second and third look at the six cent I believe it is a kiss print rather than a dt.....
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Posted 12/19/2021   7:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm leaning towards a wet / kiss print on both items. I'd keep them.
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Posted 12/31/2021   12:41 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jjdevi1 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
On the 6 cent, I'm not sure, ;aning towards a really wet plate. On the second one, I'd go with the wet kiss.
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Posted 12/31/2021   6:53 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
First, no matter the cause, this is a nice interesting item.


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A DT this obvious would already be well known.

Second, , with eyeonwall because if this was a double transfer, there would be many printed copies to find and it would have been long listed in Scott. A DT is in the metal of the printing plate and thus every impression of the plate would create one copy of this, a copy which would be identical.

Here I think this is a example of the paper touching the printing plate on additional time besides the normal impression under printing pressure.

The most likely locations on the printing paper for this to occur is at the edges, top or bottom with the sides, left and right a bit less likely. The other likely area would be the center of the sheet which can bow out. Here the straight edge at the bottom demonstrates the stamp location is the upper center row with the "center" being the location of the paper cut producing the straight edge at the bottom of the top middle row and top of the lower middle row.

lastly, because the printing sheet bows to create this, the location the paper touches the printing plate will be slightly different than with a flat sheet due to the change in surface geometry or surface measurements.

Again, quite the find.
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Posted 01/01/2022   11:31 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Caper123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the input, everyone! The fact that the ink smeared in one direction would indicate to me (a non-printer and superb guesser) that the paper had not fully absorbed the ink as it was a bit too wet (at least in this one location of the sheet of paper) and the sheet was pulled which caused the ink to smear accordingly. Wish I had the stamps' neighbor!
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Posted 02/04/2022   11:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Caper123 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Just happened across another similar to the first stamp on ebay. I mean, what are the odds? Tho not its neighbor, quite possibly from the same line on the same sheet.

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