Lattaquuie Inverted Overprints 17A 18A. What Do We Have Here?

Whenever I come across an expensive overprint I always assume I'm looking at a forgery. However there have been many finds in the dealer accumulation I bought so who knows. Either the stamp on the back is an owners mark - or forgers mark? Are there any experts here who can help me?

Not an expert.
Not listed in my Stanley Gibbons.
Not seen on ebay.
There is this.......

Nothing to get excited about . Those are all part of the "fun and games "at the printing office in Paris every Friday afternoon after the managers leave work early . The employees Open up the vine bottles and after a while the fun and games start .

All these French Mandate areas have tons of inverted overprints, hard for you to believe those employees were just having fun printing this stuff for Syria,Lebanon ,Lattaquuie and Alaouites and other places . I think you will find 100 to 200 different stamps over a 8 year period of time .....ready for this ......All with inverted overprints all from this same printing office in Paris ......ok ,so you believes these are REAL errors ?

They are listed in my 2017 Y & T Timbres des colonies francaises as Lattaquie as 14a (7.50p) and 15a (10p), each valued at 800 euros.

I don't see the expertizing (or owner's) mark on the filatelia site.

https://www.filatelia.fi/experts/ma...nuscript.jpg

https://www.filatelia.fi/experts/namesm.html

You would need to get certs of course

Dealer's mark, I'd suggest. Whether "expertise" was implied, I don't know.

(Sorry, can't post the link, but Medawar was a London stamp dealer).

The stamp below sold yesterday by Kelleher's. Lot 5551.



https://stampauctionnetwork.com/V/v763209.cfm

ROGDCAM ---That inverted overprint sure don't look like my regular overprints

If you ask me but nobody did ......that is a fake inverted overprint ..but hey what do I know ,I am just a lickem and stickem worldwide collector .

I agree floortrader - somebody just wasted $225

The overprint on the Kelleher stamp doesn't look kosher or halal to me either.

These overprints were applied at first by the printing press of the " pères Capucins à Beyrouth" circa 1924 until which time I am not certain.There were many orphan children from the Jeanne d'Arc orphanage which worked in the printing press facility;so the lack of proffesionalism was evident.Other fakes were clandestine in nature.
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The High Commission also mingled a little printing, taking control of the official printing presses al Wilayat of Beirut and ar Rasmyat of Baabda. She took machines from these printing houses to help the Capuchin Fathers Joan of Arc Printing which edited the French "good press" such as the Bulletin St. Louis or L'Orient et arabe. She founded a printing press, called Atelier typographique des troupes du Levant or Imprimerie du Haut-Commissariat, which provided army printed matter, city work for the High Commission and a series of maps of Syria and Lebanon. Later, the topographical activity was taken over by a new structure, the Bureau topographique des troupes du Levant.
http://www.typographie.org/gutenber...liban_4.html

I see lots of opinions but zero specifics as to how to determine the genuineness of these overprints. Any reference sources? I could not find much.

Cherrystone has a record of a another C1a that they sold in 2008 with a Claves certificate and the overprint looks nothing like the Kelleher stamp and much more like the examples from Floortrader. I was unable to download the Cherrystone scan.

Wadya want for nothing? A rubber biscuit?

The usual overprints are quite "blocky", unlike the narrower font on the Kelleher. I'll try to unearth some later.

These are common overprints.The idea that there are forgeries everywhere is rediculous.The horrible Fake stamp in the auction is an exception.
A lot of these have CTO's .So they are much more interesting on used covers.

Hopefully the winning bidder reads this thread...

...and a helping of bum nuts!