Lattaquuie Inverted Overprints 17A 18A. What Do We Have Here?

The op's stamps could be genuine. In this auction:Spink lot's 686,687
https://stampauctionnetwork.com/f/f13535.cfm

Thank you for the input. these invert overprints are the same type as my numerous normal overprints, so the links you provided are a big help. i'll be sending these in for certs!

Nice work Perf12
Do we know how many stamps to a sheet?

Is it surprising, these three offered without certificates?
Letterpress Opt?
How many to the Opt forme?

I don't think anyone knows for sure how many or when these inverted types occured. Below are the official decrees related to the destrucion of the ovrprinted stamps and overprint dies.....
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ART 1
The postal fiduciary values of any kind of the Syrian Republic bearing in French and Arabic the surcharge "AlAOUITES" or the surcharge "LATTIQUIE" cease to be valid for the franking of correspondence.
ART 2
The fiduciary values demonetized both by application of the provisions of this decree and by those, relating to certain overprinted stamps, of decree NO.190 / LR of September 8, 1936 will be incinerated.
The quantities to be incinerated will be those which emerge from the situation of the postage stamp accountant of
Lattaquie on the closing date of its operations.
ART 3
The metal cliches bearing the words "LATTAQUIE" in Latin characters and in Arabic characters which were used for the overprint of the postal figurines special to the territory of Lattaquie, will be destroyed.
ART 4
The incineration of the postal figurines and the destruction of the cliches will take place in Lattaquie at a date fixed by Mouhafez of Sandjak of Lattaquie.
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High Commisioner bulliten 1937 (original)







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Reference when some of these stamps were issued....

This all ties into my early comment here.

These MidEastern French Mandated areas were producing INVERTED OVERPRINT for many years like 8 years of overprints with a few sheets of Inverted . This went on issue after issue ......go look at a catalog there are somewhere between 100 and 200 different stamps with this Inverted crap .....tell me these are ERRORS ....yea right!!!... many dozens of different stamps over 8 years .....All ERRORS .

No one has yet to offer definitive reasons/proof as to why the OP's stamps are not genuine. CAP LOCKS and bluster do not constitute expertizing.

Whether intentional or unintentional these "errors" can have real value if proven to have the correct ink and genuine overprint cliche.

As an example, Russia is chock full of "errors" and some collectors pay good money for them. Many of these issues are "signed" by the Soviet Philatelic Bureau at the time of creation. They may be intentional but they are valuable nonetheless.

Your right .......they are intentional and prices may be high but then again as long as a buyer is aware what they are buying .

Checking past listings in Delcampe there are some that are sold others not...a few below for reference.
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Block sold 104euros may 2019


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Signed Roumet and Brun, not sold nov.2021




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sold 120 euros sept. 2021



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not sold nov. 2021(650euros) signed Brun with certificate

A lot of overprint stamps of this type and from different countries are offered as "signed" and have familiar backstamps. For me they lend little in the way of assurance of authenticity.

For instance, in the 1920's Stolow had a business relationship with the Soviet Philatelic Association (Bureau) aka SPA and sold stamps for Russia. As with many of the dealers of the time however the relationship was too cozy. The SPA sold the Stolow Brothers the original cliches for a number of overprints including the pricey Consular Airmails and the Stolow's set out creating all kinds of normal and variety overprints and stamped them on the back as "authentic". They overprinted real stamps that in many cases were shipped to them with the SPA backstamp already in place on the non-overprinted stamps which only added to the aura of genuineness.

There are TONS of these stamps floating about on the market to this day and the only way to be assured that you are getting the genuine article is to have them certified by a recognized authority that can analyze the ink. The ink is the ONLY way to tell if the overprint is a forgery.

It is one reason why these stamps rarely reach anywhere near catalog value. The market has been loaded with an outsized number of available stamps that were created. You see them much more than their official issue quantities would dictate you should.

If, as Floortrader states, the overprints originated from the issuing printing shop I cannot see how you could prove or disprove what is real and what is not.

Thanks Perf 12 for going to the trouble to post that info.
Appreciated.

Rod; It is important to develope certain threads like this.For the future. It is interesting..


Philatelists have known for over a 100 years now the existence of clandestine printing on the official printing presses.. but for the benefit of the doubt they assume that there is the possibility that some varieties were legit.Given the circumstances,0 errors are impossible in printing say from 1900 -1930's....

Rogdcam,
You have mentioned in two recent posts the importance of the ink analysis in telling genuine from forgery.
So what is this difference? What test method? What chemical composition? What does the analyst look for?
If I were forging an overprint in about the same time period, why wouldn't my ink be virtually identical to that used by the original printer?
Did they use a proprietary formula and something off the shelf?
Do you have facts to share or idle speculation?

John if I can speculate here -----Forgers usually do their work not when a stamp/overprint comes on the market unless it is for postal fraud at the Post Office . But it happens decades later after a stamp has increased in value and there is demand for it in the collectors marketplace ......Ink also changes, before WWI they most likely came from Germany ,after the war different countries all started to manufactor inks .

floortrader: The demand for stamps 120 years ago was so great that forgeries,clandestine printings were put into motion in the same year of a given stamps overprint.In those days people didn't wait years.It was now and take profits now.
In French indochina,Canton,Mongtse clandestine printings were a scandal in 1907 and revealed to the press.That was just one example...

Good forgers locate supplies of vintage papers to print on and vintage inks to print with, do they not?
Finding a bottle of 30-40 year old ink would seem fairly trivial.

Bottom line ... does anyone have actual hard data from real scientific tests to demonstrate ink differences between genuine and forgeries? I'm not trying to be argumentative, just trying to shed light on speculations vs facts.