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I Was Wondering Is It A Franklin 385 Double Coil Stamp?

 
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Posted 12/23/2021   3:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Dan Townsend to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hello Everyone:
I hope everyone is ready for the holidays.
I came across these stamps and looked everywhere on the internet and could not find this stamp doubled like this.It does look coiled and I do see paint on the back of the stamp.
I was wondering if any one has seen this stamp doubled like this and if does have more value than the other double stamps I have seen.
The funny thing I guess I don't know what kind of double makes a double.
From the top or the side? Anyway here are some pictures.Also I want to add these stamps came off the same envelope.
they were separated like this except for the one pair .
Another answer is it may not be a 385.
Thanks for looking.




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Posted 12/23/2021   3:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
331 booklet stamps.
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Posted 12/23/2021   4:08 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dan Townsend to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank You Rogdcam
That was fast
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Posted 12/23/2021   4:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dan Townsend to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Thank you Rogdcam again ;
Now what is a contemporaneous cancel that's what a 331a has?
I don't know if it matters ,I do see some crazy marks on the edges of these stamps one looks like a date and one looks like a letter or number ,very light markings not like a cancel.
More like a transfer.They are on the bottom left side .
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Posted 12/23/2021   10:59 pm  Show Profile Check orstampman's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add orstampman to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Do you still have the envelope these stamps came from? The envelope itself would provide useful information that may answer your question.
Often, it is best to leave stamps on a cover - postal history can be very informative and rewarding.
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Posted 12/23/2021   11:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Now what is a contemporaneous cancel that's what a 331a has?


Scott 331a, the full booklet pane of 6 stamps, like other booklet panes of this era, is valued higher by Scott than its unused equivalent. To deserve this value, Scott notes that a used pane must have a "contemporaneous" cancel, that is one from the immediate time period of issue, NOT one a decade of more later likely from a philatelic use.
Your stamps are not a full booklet pane, nor do they appear to have a clear identifiable cancel to style or city or date as near as I can tell. At present neither does Scott provide a value for less-than-pane multiples or singles from booklets, even though identifiable. Subsequently, there is only a modest market.
It is unfortunate these are no longer on the original cover.
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Posted 12/23/2021   11:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dan Townsend to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you John and orstampman;
I need to clarify a little about these stamps there was no full cover only cut off from the cover.
It looked to be no cancel marking on the paper .But I want to check the stamp out closer maybe I could see something and try to decode it.Like I said there looked to be numbers on the stamp.
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Posted 12/24/2021   12:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dan Townsend to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I really need help in finding that web site that helps in rendering
the pictures by subtracting elements of color or adding .I forgot where to find it I thought it was in the Philatelic Society tool page.Anyway here are some pic's

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Posted 12/24/2021   1:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Partime to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I really need help in finding that web site that helps in rendering


I think you are talking about Retroreveal?

http://retroreveal.org/
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Posted 12/24/2021   2:38 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dan Townsend to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank You Partime;
I tried to render these stamps with Retroreveal and this is what I got not like I thought I would get, but it was something.
The top one looks like a 8 and 9
The bottom looks like 1812 .

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Posted 12/24/2021   3:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 12/25/2021   12:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dan Townsend to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hello again ;
I was really convinced this stamp was a 331 booklet stamp and was hoping it was .
Because the cut margins were right .But what I don't know is why the watermark is a single line watermark and the 331 is a double line watermark in the book?Am I missing something ,could there be other single watermark 331 booklet stamps also. The year on my stamp is confusing to ,1912 "3" or "4" years different s .Which could be explained .
Here are some pictures of the watermark .
Let me know what you think.

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Posted 12/25/2021   2:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
331 has a double line watermark.
374 has a single line watermark.
Everything that has been said so far about 331 applies to 374 as well.
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Posted 12/25/2021   3:01 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Dan Townsend to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank You John that's what I was looking for.
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