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What Does "Scoring Facial" Mean On A Cert Description?

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Posted 02/10/2022   7:07 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Redtail to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I received an expert committee opinion today on my US J36 (postage due 1895 - 30c)

It reads:

"it is genuine with pen 'X' cancel, scoring facial vertically at center"

Is this a description of the cancel or some type of fault I have never seen before?

Any insight is appreciated!

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Posted 02/10/2022   7:15 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add JLLebbert to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Good question. Score as a verb can mean cutting or scratching a line on a surface. But if this were actually a fault, I think the verbiage would be clearer ... so I think it merely means that the X cancel appears to run vertically through the face of the stamp. I would take it as a description of the cancel.
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Posted 02/10/2022   7:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Redtail to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That was my hope! Thx a lot for your thoughts on this unusual (to me) qualifier.
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Posted 02/10/2022   7:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Need a pic.
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Posted 02/10/2022   7:50 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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so I think it merely means that the X cancel appears to run vertically through the face of the stamp. I would take it as a description of the cancel.


Agree

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Posted 02/10/2022   8:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Why guess?
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Posted 02/10/2022   8:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Pressure from the two lines meeting in the middle scored the paper.
Heavy indent, not threw the paper
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Edited by Just_fella - 02/10/2022 8:25 pm
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Posted 02/10/2022   8:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Why guess?


Yes, you paid, you can ask.

Well that is out of the way, on to my guess.

If it does not mean the ink lines and/or paper surface was very lightly scratched or scuffed, it may really be a note as to the position of the "X" when the stamp is resubmitted for a certificate as mint after the pen cancel is removed. Or extended on to the envelope when added to a cover.
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Posted 02/10/2022   9:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Every single PF cert that mentions scoring is referencing an indented line or lines in the stamp(s), never an ink line or indentation caused by a cancel.

That is my guess.
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Posted 02/11/2022   09:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add wtcrowe to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A scoring line could have been caused by the point of the pen (the nib) and the ink lightened or removed leaving just an indentation in the paper. The wording sounds a little mixed up, but it is letting you know what they see.
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Edited by wtcrowe - 02/11/2022 09:45 am
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Posted 02/11/2022   10:39 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Why guess?

Redtail, PLEASE post a scan. There is no point guessing or speculating. It is important to share *complete* information when making a thread.
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Posted 02/11/2022   1:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add youpiao to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"it is genuine with pen 'X' cancel, scoring facial vertically at center"

This is unnecessarily sloppy verbiage all around. There is no reason they cannot use proper grammar, syntax, and punctuation, to make sure there is nothing ambiguous about the certification. (what in the world does "scoring facial" mean?)

This is how I read it (but why should one have to guess?).

It is genuine (comma) with a manuscript X cancel in ink. [and] A score line runs vertically through the center of the face of the stamp.

People pay good money for these expert opinions. They should at least get competent written language on them.



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Thank you everyone for the discussion, I appreciate it and yes I have gone back to experts before when I was confused but I wanted to try this method out as an alternative.

Based on what I read it seems to be a ref to a "score" at the center of the X made by the ink pen. So does a score = a fault?

I assume there could be some debate over this question now that the description has been deciphered by the collective stamp mind of this board.

Philately Phun!
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Posted 02/11/2022   7:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
PSAG = NO WONDER
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Posted 02/11/2022   8:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Scoring would be a thinning, I'd guess
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