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Barred N Over 28? Is This A British Postmark On A Victoria Stamp?

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Posted 03/24/2022   10:42 pm  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this topic Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I'm hoping that someone can positively identify this postmark.

Not matching any Victoria postmark that I know of, it appears to be a barred numeral type with an N above 28.

Maybe a British cancellation?
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Posted 03/24/2022   11:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Bobby De La Rue to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hi fairdinkumstamps,

I'm pretty sure this is an Indian cancellation.

I'll try to get some more information for you!

EDIT: I think it's a Bombay cancellation, used in the early 1870s. Hopefully someone can give us some more details.
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Posted 03/25/2022   08:52 am  Show Profile Check 64idgaf's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add 64idgaf to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would assume posted on board a ship and cancelled on arrival at the next port of call.
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Posted 03/25/2022   09:51 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add StevieG to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe this suggestion is unlikely but could the "N" be an "M" and represent the number 1000. Quite a few have MC (1100) with a standard number underneath. This is using Roman numerals with standard numbers.
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Posted 03/25/2022   4:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I went through 60 pages of 'Early Indian Cancellations, 1855-1884' in Robson Lowe's Encyclopedia of British Empire Postage Stamps, The Empire in Asia and, I'm not going to say it's not there, but, I didn't see it there.
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Posted 03/25/2022   5:03 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Noocassel to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Is the stamp from the State of Victoria, or if not where is it from?
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Posted 03/25/2022   5:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Correct, Victoria, Australia.
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Posted 03/25/2022   5:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Noocassel to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you for your answer.
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Posted 03/25/2022   8:04 pm  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Cjd, thank you for checking those Indian postmarks, Bobby De La Rue might have more on why he is leaning towards the Bombay postmarks. Many of the ones I have seen from there have a line between the top letter and the numeral below, which this doesn't appear to have. Maybe there are other types like this.

This is an interesting site that shows some of the relevant Indian cancellations:
https://www.anglo-indian-affairs.co...ps/pm-15.asp

StevieG, my bet would still be on 'N' - it certainly isn't the MC/28 barred numeral cancellation of Childers or the M28 of Strathdownie in the state of Victoria.

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Posted 03/25/2022   8:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

As a worldwide collector, I am going to be very surprised if it is Indian.
I have never seen an "N" Oval Barred killer in 20 years.

The only N I am aware of is the N-7 Experimental Pmk of Jaipur State (Feudatory) Chomu 1941, and that was the lower inscription of a double ring CDS.

However, I believe "N" is the Alpha of the Central Provinces Postal Circle. I have yet to see one.

Most barred killers I have seen are Alpha Single letter or RMS

Anyone else think there may be other Alpha numeric on the right hand side of N and 28 ?

Unsure if has been struck twice, but the bars on the Left hand side appear elongated.

A real head scratcher....
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Posted 03/25/2022   8:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thank you JF,
Nope, looks like just N / 28

Unusual as it seems to have "A ring of Bars"
Not the familiar Brit. barred killers.

Something is nagging me, it somehow looks familiar.
Perhaps a Western Australian Pmk ?
I'll check my notes.
Negative, plenty of "ring of bars" and N = Newcastle
but nothing similar to here.


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Posted 03/25/2022   8:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Just_fella to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
This seems possible for the shape, maybe?
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Posted 03/25/2022   9:15 pm  Show Profile Check fairdinkumstamps's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add fairdinkumstamps to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Back to my original British suggestion,

From Billig's Handbook on Postmarks, Volume 9, British Postmarks by F. Hugh Vallancey, (First Edition 1935).

London North District from the right time period, lines in between the letter and numerals but special note 'many varieties exist'. Also note that the numbers run from 1 to 28:
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Edited by fairdinkumstamps - 03/25/2022 9:17 pm
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Posted 03/25/2022   9:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
So close, and admittedly the "most-complete" explanation to this point, with specific reference to 28, but I'm not feeling it.

I'll be in the same room with a few more of my resources tomorrow, and I'll do a little more looking.
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Edited by Cjd - 03/25/2022 9:28 pm
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Posted 03/25/2022   9:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think this is our best bet.
(Albeit unusual, in having no separating line/s betwixt N and 28)
Also confirmed by Ewen L'Estrange

How it arrived on a Victorian stamp, makes for tasty musing.

For the record, I checked FERNAU listings, on pmks on printed matter.


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