Help With GB One Penny Red ID

I've never bothered with the e-guage so I don't know how helpful it is.

Your magnification is fine. Your second image I think is adequate for plating. The third image starts to distort a little and may be more of a hindrance than a help.

This sort of work takes a lot of concentration so be mindful of tired eyes and a tired brain!

Not too. But it was not so much a misunderstanding as it is not knowing and not seeing anywhere in the preface an explanation. I was trying to determine why there is no ending date in some of the listings. Still confusing to me as I dont get it. But it is what it is.

Hi Stamps4Life,

Where there are two dates, there will be a stamp in that listing that was issued in the second year stated, OR, the stamp was issued over the course of the years stated.

In the first instance, have a look at the Great Britain listings for catalogue numbers 197 to 212. You'll see the date range is 1887 to 1892. Where no issue date is given for a given stamp, then the stamp was issued in the first year. Now, see SG 206 and you'll notice the issue date of 1892 written in the listing. Notice also the issue dates for SG 210 and 212.

Where only one year is stated, all the stamps in that listing were issued in that year. See the Great Britain listings for SG 399 to 404. All four stamps were issued in 1913, but you'll see that SG 402-404 were issued on a different date in 1913 than SG 399-401.

Hope this helps

Thank you Bobby. I had assumed that, but was not sure. Obliged for the thorough explanation. Wanted to make sure I am understanding this correctly.

Maybe backing up a little would help (and not confuse things): generally speaking, stamps aren't issued with an expiration or planned "death." Sometimes a national government changes (Germany, Russia/USSR) which invalidates the stamps issued by the former government; sometimes there's currency reform (France, UK) that makes older stamps obsolete. But by the by, there's nothing keeping you from using an 80 year old USA stamp to mail a letter, all that matters is that you use enough of them, for example.

Stamp catalogs are that: catalogs, not obituaries. Most every date you'll see (in greater or lesser detail) will show the year or years that a certain stamp was issued (i.e., available for sale from the relevant postal authority). The dates don't show when a stamp was used... since again, stamps usually aren't issued with an expiration in mind.

Got the use anytime part. And I get the range of dates too. Going back to SG 7, 8-12…. I think what was confusing me was that I saw in the catalog SG17 for instance with a range of dates and thought it was a continuation of 7 & 8. BUT, I failed to see that it was a different stamp being a p16 - part of the confusion….

The second part of my confusion, going back to SG 2021 edition commonwealth & British empire , page GB3, bottom right hand corner has 2 line entries for SG 8/12. One reads date 2.41 and the other 6.2.52. I would have expected to see the '52 in a "range" listed in the above entry for SG 7 or 8 to 12. Maybe it's called out separately below because of the alphabet change to II from I.

This too - clearly all the stamps printed on plates 12 onwards were not printed only in 1841. I thought I would have seen seen a range of dates in the listening.

Maybe I am overthinking this too - I have that problem.

so in looking at other plates, I do not see any breaks in the NE corner like the one on my stamp, besides plate 124

Did you mean extended top frame line or break. There are no breaks in the NE star's frame.

Plates 132 to 137 were the first with the type II alphabet. SG treats the stamps with this alphabet separately. The date 6.2.52 was the date on which these plates were registered. Stamps are likely to have been issued a little later. When no actual issue date for a stamp or group of stamps is known, SG may use the registration date.

Sorry. Yes, extended top frame line.

I could guess, but all speculation….

Is this the correct spot for plates used for both black and red printings? Plates 1b, 2,5,8,9,10 and 11 ?

https://www.gbps.org.uk/information...1d-black.php

If so, is plate 1b the one listed as 27 Apr 1840? Also, where are 9, 10 and 11? Do these exist for download?

Still trying to plate this one.....

I don't know anything about the registration sheets for the Penny Black, but there was some information regarding plating called the Nissen plates. They were available on the Spink website if I remember correctly.

Some more information here:

https://www.davidfeldman.com/2021/0...rles-nissen/

For plating, try here:

http://maltesex.com/plating/

tks Bobby. Another question please - SG Queen Victoria v1, part 1 lists B2, Sg8-12 1 d red brown imperf checklist as plates 132-177. The Great Britain Philatelic Site lists the plates as 132-204. Why the difference? thank you again.

Hi Stamps4Life,

Plates 178 to 204 are only found perforated. See the list under C2 in the QV Specialised.

ok, im confused. sorry. so these are not the same thing? these from GBPS, pl 132-204



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from the SG catalog, plates 132-177