Danish West Indies ID Help

What Sc no. is this ? I cant match the perf. to the catalog (perf 13). I get 13 x 12.5 and the paper looks to me like granite not wove. Its a thicker paper and if Wove, Sc 19 ??

looks like it has an inverted frame.

This is a Scott 19.

1. A few threads doesn't necessarily make it granite paper. The threads have to be intentionally added and may not always be evenly spread from stamp to stamp, but impurities are always possible.

2. the perf measurement is off because the top right side and lower left side perfs look reperfed. The perf holes look too clean compared to the rest.

when you mention top right & lower left - are you referring to when looking at the front or back of the stamp? I am just trying to see what you see. Thanks

I have a few more steps in this series, Sc 16-20, and they just look a little different - not as dull, muted.




When a frame is inverted, does it effect any of the other frames?

I mean from looking at the front of the stamp. Plus the correct perf for this is 12-3/4 according to FACIT.

There are two printings each of the 4c and 5c values. Both printings of the 5c were intentionally printed with an inverted frame, with just one position of just one of the printings having an upright frame, which is why that one is so rare. So, it just depends on what was done with each DWI and Danish stamp printing.

i don't the Scott numbers, this is AFA 10By, print 7, Facit no is 17a.

perf is 12 3/4 * 12 3/4, and they will always, like most stamps from this era, vary a little.

the perforation is done with the comb perforator machine no 4 or 5, in this case, no 4.
and there hasn't been any tampering done to the perforation at all.

a sound stamp.




during the printing of Danish stamps (and Dwi) the lower rows of cliche's were worn faster, so between printings they would sometimes turn the entire plate around to make the cliche's last longer.

there's however nothing intentionally about 1 upright frame, this is completely random.. and most likely just a mistake from a tired apprentice..

once again I'd refer to this thread on bicolored.

https://goscf.com/t/52341&whichpage=1

Sorsh - did see that other thread and will look more closely at it for info. Question - not entirely sure it was answered above. If one frame is on inverted, will any of the others be effected?

not really sure I understand that question... a sheet is made from 100 cliche´s, aligned in a frame.. each individual cliche can only be fitted in 2 ways, and sometimes one or more were fitted the wrong way.

as someone pointed out, in print 8 (your stamp is from print 7) one such inverted exist in position 50 - and with around 2000 sheets printed not many remain to this day.

maybe this picture gives more sense.

I know not not much at all re: these frames but thought I remembered reading somewhere that one corner was inverted the coresponding diagonal frame would be different too?? But if I read your ex above correctly, they are all independent from each other. Tks for the example.

I found what I was thinking of... From the Scott catalog Denmark and DWI section, bolded,

"The arabesques in the corners have a main stem and a branch. When the frame is in normal position, in the upper left corner the branch leaves the main stem half way between the two little leaflets. In the lower right corner the branch starts at the foot of the second leaflet. When the frame is inverted the corner designs are, of course, transposed".

Here's a little more detailed info on inverted frames.

https://goscf.com/t/41870

Dan

Yes - good info. Tks. I have it bookmarked. Use to not use that feature. But have now found it very handy.