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Posted 09/17/2022   04:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add NSK to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
DAVO Great Britain 1965 Battle of Britain Issues

When I was a teen, my father took me on a short trip to London. I collected Dutch stamps and British stamps seemed a nice souvenir of this trip. On the second trip, we bought the current Machin permanent stamps on sale at the philatelic counter of the Trafalgar Square post office. Later, walking down the Strand, we passed the Cameo Stamp Centre that later moved to an office nearer the Embankment. It offered many more of the same stamps and we added to the ones we bought from the post office.

Some time later, in the Netherlands, I was at a tobacconist-stationer in the Netherlands. The shop stocked the DAVO Great Britain hingeless album, second part. I bought it to store my Machins. This started my Great Britain collection. I, later, also bought the first part.

In 1965, the Post Office issued stamps to commemorate the 25th anniversary of the Battle of Britain. The set comprised a block of six 4d stamps, a 9d stamp, and a 1/3 stamp. The stamps were printed both without and with phosphor bars printed over the ink for use in the automatic letter facing machines.

Such a block (two rows of three stamps) raises the question whether to provide a space for the block or the individual stamps. Collectors of used stamps may want spaces for individual stamps. Most stamps from these blocks will have been used as singles or part-block multiples. Collectors of unused stamps may prefer a space for the block as that is how it was issued. Usually, blocks are catalogued over the value of the individual stamps.

Here is an example that rod222 posted in his thread 'Great Britain: On Steiner Pages.'


DAVO appears to have thought it would cater for both types of collectors and make them buy the set and the singles from the block or the block, depending on how you look at it.


The DAVO album includes pages for the issues with phosphor bars. For this, they only included individual stamps.

The set of mint stamps I bought had a complete block of the stamps. I had to - the DAVO album told me so tear up the block to fit the stamps on my album page. Now, I prefer to have the complete block. (I did buy it. Now, I must think about how to fit it in my album.)
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Posted 09/17/2022   07:08 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As you can see, Steiner prefers to use blocks.

I am quite happy to place individual stamps in the block spaces.
If blocks turn up, I make a special page.

I am largely dependent on what I get in swaps.
There is where eBay is largely very poor, selling pages of stamps.

I refuse to pay $3+ for a single stamp (includes postage)


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Posted 09/17/2022   07:48 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
There's an unholy alliance between stamp issuers and album publishers to maximise the take from the punter. Most of us don't want blocks and singles. Like Rob, where I use printed albums, if I only have singles, I place them in the space accordingly. Doesn't really work if you have unmounted mint copies, though.

With some printed albums, if the paper is sufficiently thick, I'll mount the used copies on the back of the previous page so that they sit opposite their mint siblings. That does, however, mean that you can't have additional pages for varieties etc between the printed pages.

All of which shows that your elegant pages on blank Lindner leaves are a much better solution!
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Posted 09/17/2022   1:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I like blank pages. DAVO has them. I like Lindner's T-system as it is flexible. Lindner T is a very expensive system. And their pre-printed pages, I expect, will encounter the same issues.

I have stamps that cost me over $3, excluding postage. That makes it easier to pay for those Lindner pages. But this is I 40 years later and, hopefully, wiser.

I get the impression Steiner ignores the phosphor issues entirely.
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Posted 09/17/2022   2:29 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
DAVO Great Britain 1965 Post Office Tower Issues

So, what is going on with the 3d 'Post Office Tower' stamp in the last picture of my original post?


In the same year, the Post Office issued two stamps to celebrate the official opening of the Post Office Tower now BT Tower by Prime Minister Harold Wilson. These Post Office issued the stamps without and with phosphor bar(s).

The automatic letter facing (ALF) machine uses the light signals from the afterglow to recognise the stamp. It then either does or does not turn the item of mail such that the stamp is in one of two positions. The cancellation device subsequently cancels the stamp. The ALF also sorted out mail sent at a certain rate (printed matters or, later, second class mail). It does so by measuring the time lapse between signals. On stamps with a single phosphor bar there would be just one signal during the time it takes for a stamp width to pass through the scanner. Wider stamps had three bars applied to avoid mistaking them for stamps with a single bar.

8mm, 9mm, or 9.5 mm phosphor bars were applied. Stamps with two bars, usually, had these applied at the edges. A single bar would cover the right and left side of adjoining stamps. Stamps with a single side bar, usually, had that bar applied in the same manner, skipping every second bar on the printing cylinder.


DAVO only provides a single space for stamps with a 'side' phosphor bar. Many, however, will exist with both a phosphor bar both at the left or at the right side. And for those who like the stamps as they were issued you might like a pair with the full phosphor bar applied over adjoining stamps.
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Posted 09/17/2022   2:51 pm  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That takes me back fifty years. LSE's two halls of residence back then were in the next street to the Post Office tower. When the Angry Brigade bombed the tower the previous year, enterprising students on the top floor of the nearer building had apparently charged admission to their viewing point.

The revolving restaurant at the top of the tower closed after the bombing and has never reopened..
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Posted 09/17/2022   4:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
I get the impression Steiner ignores the phosphor issues entirely.


Incorrect

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Posted 09/18/2022   3:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
DAVO Great Britain 1966 Batte of Hastings

With the pre-decimal system, 12 pennies made a shilling and twenty shillings a pound. So, a standard-sized sheet of 20 rows of six stamps would have the value of half a pound per penny face value.

The set of stamps issued to commemorate the 900th anniversary - I guess I know one issue for 2066, if stamps still exist of the battle of Hastings consisted of six 4d stamps, a 6d stamp, and a 1/3 stamp. The six 4d stamps were printed se-tenant, making up a whole row in the counter sheet.

A horizontal strip of six stamp did not fit the frame of DAVO's pages. It, narrowly, fitted on a page. Rather than being unconventional and placing the strip sideways with other stamps besides it, or diagonally with only the 6d and 1/3 stamps above and below it, DAVO reverted to hooliganism. The stamp pages for both the stamps without and with phosphor bars have mounts for half strips. This is neither a solution for collectors of mint stamps as issued, nor for most used-stamp collectors who are unlikely to find genuinely postally used strips of six stamps: if it does not fit on the DAVO page, most envelopes, also, will not be wide enough.


For the 1973 Christmas issue that included a se-tenant strip of five 3p stamps, DAVO was not just confronted with the challenge of fitting the stamps to the frame. There also was the aesthetic dilemma of fitting the two severed stamps symmetrically on the page.


And in 1980, they could not be bothered with fitting strips to the frame.
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Posted 09/18/2022   3:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Great Britain 1966 Christmas: Shemza who?

If anyone wonders what is happening with the 3d Christmas stamp on the page with the 'Battle of Hastings' stamps: it is a specialised addition. Naturally, most standard albums do not provide spaces for specialised issues. Most collectors will be satisfied with the basic stamp.

The Christmas stamps were winning designs submitted by schoolchildren. Tasveer Shemza's drawing of Good King Wenceslas was chosen for the 3d stamp. The inscription at the bottom left of the stamp recognises T. Shemza as its designer. The sheet, however, had a stamp with the initial 'T' missing from the inscription. A pair with the correct and incorrect inscriptions makes a nice addition to my collection.


It can be worse. This being a reduced-tariff stamp, it had a single side phosphor bar. As the stamp with the error is in the second column, it occurs with the bar at left, adjoining stamps with the correct inscription with the bar at right and below and above adjoining pairs with a right and left phosphor bar and correct inscriptions.

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Posted 09/18/2022   4:45 pm  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Most printed albums rightly place the Hastings strip diagonally. I seem to recall an extra-wide FDC!
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Posted 09/18/2022   4:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think that would be the best solution if you want the strip.

Picture taken from rod222's 'Great Britain: On Steiner Pages.'



Interestingly, Steiner starts with the 6d, then has the 1/3, and, finally, the strip of six 4d stamps split in two,
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Posted 09/19/2022   05:57 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My go at the Hastings set, from some time ago.

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Posted 09/19/2022   08:12 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That gets my vote.
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For modern stamps, unless the designs bleed across the perforation to form a contiguous design, I will usually create a modified Steiner page and break the block for a better presentation but then it depends on the mood, It somewhat depends if I have the block or a single at the time I print the page. I do not like long vertical strips.

It is very annoying with self-adhesives.

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Posted 09/19/2022   1:40 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
From 2001

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I'm not at all bothered by breaking up strips of stamps unless the strip is a continuous design and even then I might break it up for the sake of displaying it better. If it's not a continuous design and will not fit horizontally, then break it up. No harm done.

Using a stamp album is a choice we make. After all, we could put each block or strip of stamps into a glassine envelope and file them away somewhere. But we prefer mounting them on album pages which sometimes will not fit a large strip, block, or sheetlet. So what to do? Break them up, that's what. Stamps are used individually by most people most of the time. So mount them that way if necessary. Breaking up a strip to fit it on the page better seems perfectly reasonable.

Album page designers choose the arrangement that seems best to them This is true for all album makers and with most countries, U.S. stamps included. This is why Davo had no problem breaking up the Hastings strip of 6 into two strips of 3. They did not break up a continuous design, and clearly Davo does not like diagonal strips. Neither do I. They seem odd and jarring as does mounting horizontal strips vertically which I also do not like -- so I break them up, as well. These are pragmatic as well as aesthetic decisions made by the page designers, so there's little use complaining that your album doesn't get it right. Choose the album whose page designs you generally think look best, and when a page design seems really wrong to you, which will be pretty rare, make your own album page using a blank page. No one is forcing you to mount your stamps any particular way if you can design your own page. All it takes is a ruler and a pencil or pen. Or a printer.
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