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Is This A French Stamp From Colonies ?

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Posted 12/25/2022   07:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add cristidnc to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
I need some help with this stamp. I can't identify the country, any help is appreciated. Thanks.
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Posted 12/25/2022   07:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I would guess Turkey? And it is a revenue stamp


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Posted 12/25/2022   08:07 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It looks like a revenue usage. The French inscription and Ottoman currency would suggest a French protectorate - not colony - in the former Ottoman Empire (e.g., Lebanon, Syria)
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Edited by NSK - 12/25/2022 08:13 am
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Posted 12/25/2022   08:13 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Not necesarily une connection française - in addition to the use of Turkish or Arabic, Middle Eastern stamps would customarily use French text as a lingua franca.
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Posted 12/25/2022   08:26 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Alie to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Side note: In French Canada, we still use the word « piastre » « as a reference to the Canadian dollar, much as English speakers say "bucks." When used colloquially in this way, the term is often pronounced and spelled "piasse" »

Vingt is 20 in French.
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Posted 12/25/2022   08:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Can you measure the design please, in millimetres (mm) (to the half mm)

It has the same design as an 1882 Turkish Consulate stamp
McDonald #1
But is shows the 20pi as Turquoise Blue
Imperforate not listed in this value

Star and Crescent Unwatermarked

If I am reading McDonald correctly, this is the only Consulate issue
with the value expressed in the lower frame.

Perhaps a colour changeling?
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Edited by rod222 - 12/25/2022 08:42 am
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Posted 12/25/2022   09:09 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

I think I have cracked it,
Possibly a McDonald error, in using "Same" as identifying stamps
under the latest image (not similar to yours)

It appears "same" could relate to either of the designs

Although your image is fairly poor, it appears to match one fro my collection
that shows the ARABESQUE more clearly

So, assuming the above "same" the 20 Piastres Consulate
exists in the following

McDonald #19 1889 20 pi Consulate OLIVE BISTRE
(Still not listed as Imperforate)

Here is my 1907 Consulate in Scarlet
clearly showing the lovely Arabesque

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Posted 12/25/2022   09:16 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

SCF member Nigel, may wish to chip in his opinion?
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Posted 12/26/2022   04:18 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cristidnc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks all.
I've measured the stamp in mm.
Is 19mm by 23mm.
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Posted 12/26/2022   04:33 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks
Size as listed 19.5 x 23 mm Close enough!

As mentioned imperforate not listed, but McDonald printed 1998

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Edited by rod222 - 12/26/2022 04:35 am
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Posted 12/26/2022   11:44 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Rob Roy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
As mentioned imperforate not listed

Do you think it is trimmed? It seems to me too big to be trimmed.
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Posted 12/26/2022   11:55 am  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Any possibility it's cut from an envelope of document?
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Posted 12/26/2022   2:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add cristidnc to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I've found this stamp on wikimedia :

Turkey 1885 consular revenue, used.

Catalogue: Forbin #9, Sul. #429, McD 11a.
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Posted 12/26/2022   3:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Very Interesting, alas beyond my knowledge.

Quote:
Any possibility it's cut from an envelope of document?

I shouldn't think so Geoff, being a revenue.

I belong to ONEPS, I can shoot off a query to them, when I have a minute.

I'll also re visit McDonald, I am not sure if my other library addresses these.

I'll also look at McDonald 11A see what he has to offer.


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Edited by rod222 - 12/26/2022 3:57 pm
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Posted 12/26/2022   4:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rod222 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Aha!
The penny dropped
Thanks for posting cristidnc

The image McDonald offers ONLY refers to the 1 stamp, with "-" Value

ALL the rest are "SAME" as the image for the value in the bottom frame

That then solves the stamps as also being Imperforate....All's good

Success from endeavor!

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Posted 12/26/2022   10:54 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that seems to i.d. the stamp. Nice effort.

But what about the handstamps/cancels? Are these commercial overprints? Cancels? Plus a manuscript cancel?

Does the handstamp say "SOLVED"? I think not.



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