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Are These Postage Dues J60s?

 
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Posted 02/23/2023   2:58 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add papa0802 to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
These are perf 10, so they are either J53 or J60. This has only the front of the envelope, which is thin, so I was able to see the back of the stamps and did not detect WM 190. So I believe they are J60s. Does anyone have the first day of issue of J60, as further confirmation?



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Posted 02/23/2023   6:17 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Answer ought to be in the Scott catalog.
But why was postage due on this?


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Posted 02/23/2023   6:56 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Possibly to get the letter from where it landed to Baltimore. Possibly double weight, or possibly double deficiency. One of the postage due collectors should know for sure.
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Posted 02/23/2023   7:26 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Rev, but I was under the impression that a soldier at war war exempt ?


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Posted 02/23/2023   7:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I think that was only up to the US; once here some mail did get charged postage, but I am not sure of the details. I know that in WWII, if a soldier wanted air mail once it came to the US they had to pay for it.
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Posted 02/23/2023   7:51 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Due mail is often tricky, I would propose:
This mailed at British APO in 1916.
WWI franking for U.S. soldiers not in effect until 1917.
Treated as unpaid, double due.
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Posted 02/23/2023   8:42 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
That sounds right (or, at least, like a good explanation).
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Posted 02/23/2023   9:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks John,


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Posted 02/24/2023   12:10 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add papa0802 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
My 2014 Scott Specialized only indicates J60 was issued in 1916. It doesn't provide the date of issue. I presume it was before this October date, but I would like to know the issue date if possible.
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Posted 02/24/2023   1:49 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add papa0802 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Can anyone advise me where I could find the first date of issue for J60 in 1916 as my Scott Specialized only lists the year - 1916?
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The postage dues were not issued to the general public so I don't think there could be an issue date. They were available for sale to collectors under special conditions but were intended for use of postal employees. Also, J60 was just the result of a change in the type of paper used in the presses from watermarked to unwatermarked; I doubt that it would have been considered a different issue by the USPOD. I am not an expert in this area so will appreciate any feedback on my observations here.
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I think you may be expecting too much, and at best, you may eventually find "early reported uses".
As you will find to be the case with most of the Washington/Franklin stamps of that era, the USPOD prints definitive stamps to "run the business" of the post office and not as something to satisfy collectors or document when a certain production run of different paper, color, or perforation gauge actually hits the streets from the vaults - with the notable exception of the publicity surrounding commemoratives. Even more remotely, postage due stamps were not sold to the public at this time, they were workhorse stamps for accounting purposes which were distributed from stock as required.

(LOL, writing as the same time as Rhett!)
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Posted 02/24/2023   2:27 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add postagedueguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

J52




J53




J54



J55



J56



J57



J58 - one of two known plate blocks


J59





J60




J52 - J58 are carmine lake and J59 and J60 are rose. One problem is that scanners can subtly change the
color as you can see above. So the only way to be sure would to compare your cover side by side with my
plate block of J59 or J60 or you could also send it in for a cert and see what the experts think.

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Posted 02/24/2023   9:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add papa0802 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the insight, and the comparatives!
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Posted 02/24/2023   9:34 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add postagedueguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
No problem. Glad to help. I've found postage dues to be a challenge. That's why I collect plate blocks and sheets.
A least with a plate number I can get down to one or two. Then just need to check the watermark or lack there of.
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