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Scott 467 Stamp Multiple Mutilated For A Grade

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Posted 04/25/2023   8:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add rogdcam to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
This stamp (or whatever you call it) is in the upcoming Golden Oak auction.




Those of you who have read my comments in the past know that in general I am a fan of sensible grading BUT things like this really do harm to the cause. Why on earth would you mutilate the pair shown on the certificate and then double down by chopping that up further to achieve a highly graded stamp. Not to mention that having a complete block gives so much context to the nature of this spectacular error. Shameful.

LOT 114

https://stampauctionnetwork.com/GO/...6.cfm#Lot114
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Posted 04/25/2023   9:43 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
After getting the new cert, they probably had no choice but to split it up:



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Posted 04/25/2023   10:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Items such as this is one reason that I despise grading. It has done irreparable harm to the hobby, even though it has made a lot of money for some people and probably sold more stamps then might have been sold.
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Posted 04/25/2023   10:22 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stupid is as stupid does. It doesn't even look attractive, and as rog noted has completely lost its very important context
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Posted 04/25/2023   10:47 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add classic_paper to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I for one, appreciate the callback to Billy Madison on that second cert.
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Posted 04/26/2023   12:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Rumsey Auction did a similar "upgrade" in the WESTPEX Sale, lot 2206 Sale #108, later this week. They offer a 505 which they removed from the block of six and mention in passing that the stamp has a 1995 P.F. certificate without mentioning it was for the former block of six. The item before the separation interested me because of the name of the person who submitted the item for certification, Michael Laurence, long time editor and publisher of Linn's Stamp News. It was consigned as the block of six.



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Posted 04/26/2023   08:27 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Well, I just found something interesting regarding the mutilated 467. It was offered in March of 2021 by Siegel with a reserve of $800 and went unsold. Lot 3666 in Sale 1278.

https://siegelauctions.com/lot_grd....emailflag=on
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Posted 04/26/2023   1:48 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jogil to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Unbelieveable that this is also happening to perforated stamps. Are perforated stamps going to look better if their neighboring stamps are going to be mutilated?
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Posted 04/26/2023   3:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jleb1979 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Disturbing trend.
I will deliver mine to the auction house in their intact blocks - or my heirs will - but after that, what can we do? How might we affect the larger culture to educate collectors to avoid this?
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Posted 04/26/2023   4:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Rumsey block was delivered intact and with PF Cert to the auctioneer. It was the auction company which broke the item up for a hoped for better price.

Now one reason I can think of for such actions is that the new hingeless albums as well as other modern albums have space for the 5 cent color errors as a single stamp. Even the just as rare pair is just two singles to an album. Just the same as the folks who take off the plate number or other selvage from stamps so they "look better" on the page.



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Posted 04/26/2023   4:35 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
PPG hit on the main reason why many of these errors become singles. A single album space combined with clueless collectors. That does not explain the choice of trimming made with the 467 however. Truly bizarre. Equally odd that Siegel could not sell it at the reserve of $800 so Golden Oak doubles down and opens at $2200.
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Posted 04/26/2023   7:19 pm  Show Profile Check eyeonwall's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add eyeonwall to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
"The Rumsey block was delivered intact and with PF Cert to the auctioneer. It was the auction company which broke the item up for a hoped for better price."

I seriously doubt they did that without the owner's permission.
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Posted 04/26/2023   7:23 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add caspian65 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I'm personally not a big fan of selvage as I like stamps to fit the mounts in my album, but I very rarely would buy a stamp with selvage anyway. The few I've bought and removed the selvage, the selvage had been hinged or was noted with a defect on a certificate where the stamp was otherwise perfect, MNH.

I had a graded item a while back that had selvage and asked PSE if the stamp would receive the same grade if I removed the selvage... their response was that it would almost never change the grade.

The item posted here is just abhorrent and whoever thought the stamp was going to get some kind of '100J' grading for a perforated stamp grossly misunderstood how this works.
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Posted 04/26/2023   9:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add kcaramat to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Stamp grading is the "woke" of philately.
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Posted 04/26/2023   11:00 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Stamp grading is the "woke" of philately.


No, it's the fascism of philately.
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Posted 04/27/2023   12:11 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
No, it's the fascism of philately.


Someone needs a meds adjustment.
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