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Scott 467 Stamp Multiple Mutilated For A Grade

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Posted 04/27/2023   06:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Someone needs a meds adjustment.


Yeah, the people who think doing things like this are necessary. Cutting up scarce, rare, and unique multiples to fill their greedy little hands. Destroying unappreciated artworks is certainly a fascist trait; there is plenty of historical evidence to back that up.
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Posted 04/27/2023   08:32 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Baffling how fascism has been injected into this topic. I will request that the related comments be stricken so that we remain on-topic and the thread does not get locked like so many others.
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Posted 04/27/2023   09:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
How come you are not bothered by the woke injections
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Posted 04/27/2023   09:03 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I am. They both need to go.
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Posted 04/27/2023   10:20 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add alub to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Stamp grading is the "woke" of philately.


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No, it's the fascism of philately


George Orwell, in his wonderful essay Politics and the English Language explains the problems of using words like "Fascism" and "Woke" as descriptions of anything bad far more eloquently than I can. Therefore I will simply quote him:

"The word fascism now no meaning except in so far as it signifies 'something not desirable'. The words democracy, socialism, freedom, patriotic, realistic, justice have each of them several different meanings which cannot be reconciled with one another. In the case of a word like democracy, not only is there no agreed definition, but the attempt to make one is resisted from all sides. It is almost universally felt that when we call a country democratic we are praising it: consequently the defenders of every kind of regime claim that it is a democracy, and fear that they might have to stop using that word if it were tied down to any one meaning. Words of this kind are often used in a consciously dishonest way. That is, the person who uses them has his own private definition, but allows his hearer to think he means something quite different."

His wrote this in 1946, and, sadly, it still rings true today....
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Posted 04/27/2023   10:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
To me, fascism has a much more significant meaning then simply 'something not desirable'. Many things are "not desirable" without being fascism. Deliberate mutilation of irreplaceable or almost irreplaceable artworks is far more then simply "not desirable". It shows a certain attitude about the world at large and about life.
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I seriously doubt they did that without the owner's permission.


She knows nothing about it. Just that the stamps consigned would be sold at the highest prices possible in the auction. She is not a collector, her husband was.

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I made a fair cash offer for the item, but while she would have made more money from me, one, perhaps two dealers would not have gotten a cut. Me, I wanted the certificate as note before with the intact block. I already own a pair of errors in a block of 12, a single in a block of six and a single in a block of six on cover. I will not be bidding on the single later this week. I lose, the seller loses, the hobby loses but the dealer wins and some clueless collector thinks they won too.


***Poster requested removal***
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Posted 04/27/2023   2:33 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The best thing that can be said about this is that at least it's not the imperf 485.
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Posted 04/27/2023   2:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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The best thing that can be said about this is that at least it's not the imperf 485.


Yet .
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Posted 04/27/2023   3:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Fortunately it did not do all that well considering what other gem 100 stamps have brought.
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Posted 04/27/2023   4:12 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A puzzling issue for me in cutting up these imperfs is that the base stamp itself is impossible to find NOT well centered because there are NO PERFORATIONS. I mean come on people. It is not like only a small fraction are well centered because the perforating process sucked. Just so ridiculous.
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Posted 04/27/2023   5:07 pm  Show Profile Check GeoffHa's eBay Listings Bookmark this reply Add GeoffHa to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Indeedy. The only sensible description of a decent imperforated stamp is "four clear margins".
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Posted 04/27/2023   6:24 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Cjd to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Indeedy. The only sensible description of a decent imperforated stamp is "four clear margins".


I think there might be a little more nuance than that. I like to see a fair amount of white all the way 'round. (I'm okay with a margin getting a little close if the stamp is otherwise nice to have, but the price should reflect it. We all know those dealers who will say "margin close at lower left." "Close? It's missing half of a check letter!")

Here is the Gibbons treatment of margins for imperfs:

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Posted 04/27/2023   10:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add redwoodrandy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Painful & disturbing.
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