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Posted 05/07/2023   12:49 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Pshann to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
Hi all
Not sure here? Apologies for the pic and would appreciate any advice as how to get a better image.
It appears to have a grid but unsure.
Appreciate any help
Thx
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Posted 05/07/2023   07:45 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Petert4522 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Pshann, there are several posts on this forum addressing your question. Please search this forum. A search button can be found on each page in the upper left corner


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Posted 05/07/2023   1:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Face photo would help but it does seem to have a grill, not grid.

Light from an angle is better for showing the raised areas of a grill when taking a picture.
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Posted 05/08/2023   12:19 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Pshann to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks
Appreciate the help and advice
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Posted 05/09/2023   03:15 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Pshann to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Hopefully better pics
I'm still struggling to with grill - probably my eyesight

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Posted 05/09/2023   04:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I have no knowledge of US stamps, but from other posts, I am tempted to say I am seeing a grill.
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Posted 05/09/2023   06:48 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Pshann to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Agree
Just followed the feedback above and had my daughter take pictures
I now see a grill
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Posted 05/09/2023   07:06 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply


Kids, useful at times .
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Edited by Parcelpostguy - 05/09/2023 07:07 am
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Posted 05/10/2023   04:00 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Pshann to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Identifying the grill
Well, that another journey!
Struggling
Appreciate any help
Best guest - looking at web - is common.
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Posted 05/10/2023   07:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
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Posted 05/10/2023   10:05 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I will repeat the first three steps I posted in another of your threads:

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Several things will help *us* help *you* better:
1. Show a good scan of the front, unobscured by anything.
2. Show a good scan of the back, unobscured by anything.
3. Then go on to any specialty scans to point out features of interest ....


The first two of these are accomplished. This lets us know what stamp you are asking about.
Showing a grill with a scan is difficult because it is often lighted too directly When trying to show a grill, it is better to have extreme side-lighting in an otherwise dark room. The goal is to emphasize the grill points and not worry about the exposure. in fact, it is often best to have the image underexposed.

Here is an example I have used before. It is on a cover, so I cannot show the back of the stamp.
Scan of stamp. Lighting too direct to show the grill:


Wide view of the set-up showing a dark room with single light just above the plane of the stamp so that the grill points make shadows:


Photo of stamp with extreme raking side-lighting. The light came in from about the 4:00 position to give the best grill-point contrast, which was more important than overexposure, which is easy to do.


Yes, it is clear your stamp does have a grill, although a better back-side image would make an exact ID easier.
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Posted 05/10/2023   12:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add jleb1979 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
You might also try watermark fluid and see if you can get a count on the number of points.
It looks to me as though you are up around 14 (horizontal) x 16 (vertical) give or take, but that is a crowded neighborhood in terms of possible grilles. You definitely need to get a better view of the grille.

If raking light and watermark fluid don't get you there, there is also a carbon test, but that marks the back of the stamp and is more of a last resort in many people's view, although Micarelli endorsed it.


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Posted 05/11/2023   05:36 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Pshann to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks everyone
Will continue to learn and get there.
Appreciate all the advice
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Posted 05/16/2023   4:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add essayk to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
As I count it, your grill is 14x17 columns x rows of points, with the tell tale horizontal dashes at bottom. Scott #88.
The top has been badly trimmed, and is not a normal straight edge.
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