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Germany Empire Stamp Mistaked Sc#92A , Mi#94A

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Posted 07/17/2023   9:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add shermae to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
It shrinks??
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Posted 07/18/2023   02:50 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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dear:NSK I checked more and it is clearer in scott specialized it is profile A17 without flag so I will apologize for you and dear :PostmasterGS , thanks for your care ,also I will edit the main topic if thats possible.


There is no need to apologise. No offense taken.


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dear:NSK didnt forget that interpret a written chat text specially in internet sites will in mostly give you wrong idea because you didnt see the face and body language tone of talk ,and may be as dear : shermae quote "I suspect there are cultural and language barriers in play here." so take things as I explain in the boundaries of stamp hoppy.


I was fully aware cultural and language barriers were in play. That is why I pointed it out to you.
PostmasterGS is one of the most knowledgeable people here when it comes to German stamps up to 1945.

PostmasterGS pointed out the design difference. That may have deserved some closer scrutiny than


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its not about flags


If you go back to your post where you said


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dear:NSK there is something unclear and I will do my best to make it clear so we can agree about what is right the links you send refer to stamp mi#94a I while which differ in perforation and issued 1912 , what I mean is mi#94a II , 1915 and to be honest I am not sure it is like the other without flag or with as what I know it is with flag but different shade color and perforation , I will search more to get a photo from reliable source and update here , also there is a great difference in value.


The most reliable source for the identification of Michel listings is Michel. The information is there already.
You may notice a few things in your pictures.
1. The depicted stamp (p) Reichspostamt, Berlin does not show the flag.
2. Both 94AI on the first page you posted and 94 with sub-listings AII and BII are identified as type (p). There is some clue in the repeated use of 94, and even 94A as well.
3. The header above the latter states "wie MiNr. 94 I - 97 I, jedoch ..." which means "as Mi. Nrs. 94 I - 97 I, however ..." where there is a complete absence of any remark the design is different.

I do not have a Michel catalogue. I wonder what information is given for the listing of A113.
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Posted 07/18/2023   09:46 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mottaz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
dear:NSK , I said it is not about flag because something starang for me always stamp catalogs refer to design difference by writing a hint while that stamp no hint about that only point to perforation and number of holes also photos on Michel not whithin this issue and small to detect the difference until someone guide you to it , I will add photos for mi for those stamps to see even it an old copy.
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Posted 07/18/2023   09:55 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mottaz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
dear:John Becker , some countries in some classic issues I found the measure of perforation horizontally always less by 0.25 , first time to see this is in seldom items US classics when I ask an expert I didnt remember his name ask for photos during measure and type of guide I use ,then he relate this saying the old printing method make the stamp wet so this may change the measure by time.
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Posted 07/18/2023   10:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add NSK to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@mottaz,

It was very common to round the perforation gauge to half a perforation per two centimetres. As measurements became more exact, some catalogues started to round to quarter perforations.

Thus 14.75 x 14.5 may be catalogued as 15 x 14.5.
There are catalogue editors who retained the old half-perforation steps. There are catalogue editors who changed to the more accurate measurement and forgot some listings.

It does look like perforation gauge 14.75 more often than not is in the range 14.75 - 15, rather than 14.5 - 14.75 (but that may be observation bias).

Some of our Canadian members are even rounding to a tenth of a perforation.
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Posted 07/18/2023   10:34 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Germania to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Pretty much everything that needed mentioning has been mentioned. But I have a few things to add:
1. I have never measured the perforations on A113 because there is no need to. All A113's have the same measurement. There are no varieties.
2. The flags are the clearest indicator that the stamp is A113 and not 94. But there are other, numerous, design differences.
3. A113 was printed in offset. 94 was printed intaglio. The difference in quality is huge.
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Posted 07/18/2023   11:14 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mottaz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
DEAR:Germania thanks for info ,yes but from my experince to learn this hoppy you need material "stamps" you will never learn from catalogs or books , as an example the mistake I did I will never forget not just because I have catalogs no its because I touch the material which lead to this whole topic.
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Posted 07/18/2023   8:22 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Better scan of the difference ,plus arrow to the flag .
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Posted 07/18/2023   8:36 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mottaz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
thanks dear:floortrader
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Posted 07/18/2023   8:52 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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then he relate this saying the old printing method make the stamp wet so this may change the measure by time.


You may not have understood his lesson.

Yes, many older stamps were printed on dampened paper, which will shrink slightly during drying in one direction or the other depending on the direction of the grain of the paper. This changes the image size, but only slightly.

The perforation process is done after the stamps are dried, as a separate process. The perforations should measure the same today as when they were made.
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Edited by John Becker - 07/18/2023 8:52 pm
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Posted 07/18/2023   8:59 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mottaz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
dear:John Becker yes may be I didnt understand him will but at that time we talk about the perf of an us classic stamp puzzled me because it perf is 10.75 and I know us never use this perforation ,thats why he asked for photos during measuring also I got hundereds of the same stamp all there measure is accurate on the same gauge I use, I sold this stamp from about 2 years , I may have pictures if I found I will update them here.
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Posted 07/18/2023   9:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mottaz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
dear:John Becker

thats it on facebook you can read comments, also I may found pictures for the measuring of it when I serch latter.
i try to put the link, but thats not allowed, so I will search for photos and send latter if I found.
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Posted 07/18/2023   9:16 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add floortrader to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Here is info from my collection ----- I have a "tester stamp " it is a damage copy with a thin in the center ,that is my tester . I also use a blank card and mark on it each hole of the perforation that gives me a double check before I pencil on the back , measure twice ,count twice then make my notes ,

I never just go on one count ---- I will guarentee my work on the counts .
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Posted 07/18/2023   9:31 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add mottaz to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
dear:John Becker
i found some photos from old chat its perf is 11.25,



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Posted 07/18/2023   9:39 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add John Becker to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The Scott catalog ROUNDS. Thus they list as perf 11.
Sorry, but not going to argue with you here, nor go further into a US tangent in a German thread.
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