Denmark 1912? 4 Ore Forgery?

Hi I found this in a bundle from ebay. I assume it's a forgery as there are already two on ebay, and apparently only 20 or so in the world. Being new I need help.





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What makes you think this is the 1912 and not 1904 issue?

Only 20 exist?
Are you confusing this with the listing for Scott 55b, the inverted frame variety?
I agree with direction NSK is going. Why isn't this a regular Scott 55, which lists at $4 in the 2019 catalog?

Hi, I don't know anything about it as I am new to this world of stamps, that's why I'm asking you all, I hoped you could help me identify it with me. I only have an old 1967 concise gibbons catalogue which isn't much help. Please give suggestions. Thankyou for your time

It has pencil marks on he Bach which don't show up which say inv and the page it was on says 1904, so I guess it's that? How would I know the difference

Sorry stet error, I meant back

Ahh. I would be useful to pick up a newer catalog of whichever publisher you prefer. You should be able to find one 3-5 years old on the secondary market for a reasonable price. It will make your collecting efforts go easier.

Thankyou yes but all my money is going on he stamps....I will have to invest though. So does anyone know how I tell the difference between the issues?

So would you think the two on ebay are also standard, or forgeries. One says it has a certificate, but if you can forge a stamp couldn't you also forge a certificate?

The Stanley Gibbons Concise is a one-country catalogue. It does not list Denmark.

@Ruthy,

The two stamps differ in watermark. You shall have to look at the watermark.
In many cases, a scan of the back, against a black background will make a watermark visible.
Or you can use a watermark fluid.




Now, you are making us guess. Do you have links to the listings?
Everything can be forged. Saying it has a certificate does not mean it has. You would expect the seller to post a scan of it.
Also, the certificate must be issued by the correct specialist.

Recently, we had a member who was suggesting to make his own certificates for stamps that were common as dirt and he had identified as extremely rare.

Hi thankyou I will have a look at the water mark. My gibbons is a world concise, but as such only has a selection of stamps in it as it is one small volume.

This seller has a lot of fantasy.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/314042430142




I never heard of a catalogue with that name. The worldwide one is called Stamps of the World.

If you Put in 'Denmark 1912 4 ore' it should come up with the listings. Sorry I'm a bit computer illiterate and don't know how to link it in

This one claims it is the inverted frame variety.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/266452636530

He is a con-artist. It is the ordinary frame:

https://www.jaysmith.com/Resource/A..._frames.html

This site: https://findyourstampsvalue.com/rar...anish-stamps
has been quoted a few times before by new collectors. They see a stamp that looks like one they have, but do not realise it is a rare variety.

Note that this page mentions "inverted frame "4 ORE" surcharge, 1912."
Not all "4 ORE" surcharges on 8 ORE are the 1912 one.
Not all 1912 "4 ORE" surcharges on 8 ORE have the inverted frame.

The most famous post was the top one in this link: https://findyourstampsvalue.com/rar...irish-stamps
The poster, however, overlooked it had the incorrect perforation gauge.

they are on sale with 'travis_collectables-03' and '497361825(1273)' if that helps

Yes thankyou for all your time, it's so difficult as a newbie to identify things correctly, and there seems to be a lot of con artists out there. I'm collecting mostly from job lots, so not paying much. As a consequence I have a lot of stamps I don't want. However it's great fun looking them up. Must get a better catalogue. Would you recommend a scott?