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Proof And Essays No Longer In US Specialized Scott Catalog

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Posted 11/09/2023   2:10 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I agree with canyoneer, I would prefer a US Specialized Classic 1847-1940


As noted elsewhere, the cut off really needs to be through 1945 so as to not split the war period.

That said, my suggestion is three volumes:

Through 1900, updated every five years.
1901 through 2000, updated yearly.
21st Century, updated yearly.

OR as True 19th (through 1902), 20th (1899 through 2001) and 21st (1999 through date) centuries with a two year overlap [Meaning 1900 and 1901 would be in the 20th and 2000 and 2001 would be in the 21st.] This would allow for the listing of issues which would be found used shortly after listing date.

The first volume would be a rather static edition as there is little "new" information found to update each year. The essays and proofs could be restored, in the older more detailed manner and expanded, e.g. to include the trial essays of various grills and trial cancellation tests of same. The identifier of regular issues could return. Annual pricing changes could still be found in the graded pricing catalog.

The second volume could still include the essays and proofs, new information as it is discovered, expansion of the on cover listings as well as being the volume targeted to improve the revenue listings. Again the identifier of regular issues could be returned.

The last volume would expand each year due to the new issues and counterfeits. Much back of the book would not be present as little BOB was issued post 2000.
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Posted 11/09/2023   3:28 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add txstamp to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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They consider revenues as third rate stepchildren; I do not expect them to ever change anything. The last time they did change anything of real note was about 40 years ago.


Maybe Bleckwenn's sale, with a lot of special items in there could help draw attention and drive some change, if they are given a prod.
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Posted 11/09/2023   3:57 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Frankly I doubt it. The Joyce sale didn't. The Tolman sale didn't. Brian has wonderful First Issues, but no one at Amos will notice, even if prices are high. Which I expect them to be.
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Posted 11/09/2023   4:37 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add m and m to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
If broken down correctly the sale of Brian's material will provide many opportunities for collectors to acquire items seldom seen on the market in both quality and scarcity. I hope the larger portion goes to collectors and does not wind up as large or remainder lots that will benefit only a small handful of people.

as for the Scott Specialized being gutted of some areas, I will not hold out hope for a quick resolution. that it leaves out a great deal of legitimate revenue material and includes areas that I consider not to belong is an old story.
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Posted 11/10/2023   08:23 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add 1typesetter to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with m and m. Hopefully there is an abundance of singles since the large collections and remainder lots leave a lot of us poor people out in the cold.
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Posted 11/10/2023   08:25 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Call me crazy but I don't think Siegel is overly concerned with pleasing "poor people".
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Posted 11/10/2023   09:42 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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Call me crazy but I don't think Siegel is overly concerned with pleasing "poor people".


No, but they are happy when we can by something occasionally.
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Posted 11/10/2023   5:45 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Throw the dog a bone as they say.
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Posted 11/10/2023   7:44 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add m and m to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Bow wow, woof woof and save your shekels.
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Edited by m and m - 11/10/2023 7:46 pm
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Posted 11/13/2023   3:30 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add GregAlex to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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As noted elsewhere, the cut off really needs to be through 1945 so as to not split the war period.


I'm confused. This is a U.S. catalog and the U.S. did not enter the war until late 1941, so how does 1940 split the war years?
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Posted 11/13/2023   5:06 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply

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I'm confused. This is a U.S. catalog and the U.S. did not enter the war until late 1941, so how does 1940 split the war years?


The 1840-1940 Classic Catalog was mentioned, so it was originally a response to that post.
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Posted 11/13/2023   6:55 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Parcelpostguy to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
A gentle reminder, stamps are issued to pay for postage and fees on mail, both domestic and international. If one has a focus on just unused stamp collecting, I can understand the myopia.


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I'm confused. This is a U.S. catalog and the U.S. did not enter the war until late 1941, so how does 1940 split the war years?


Yes my quote you pulled did originate with the Classic. However, the US Specialized, as with the Classic, does include "on cover" listing for stamps. The period 1938 through 1945, the general war years, saw many international rate and route changes due to the war, especially affecting the work horse 1938 Prexie series and to a less extent the 899-901 Defense as well as the Overrun countries. Yes, the US did not directly enter the war until the last month of 1941, but it raged before then and the US government and individual folks helped support some other country's war efforts.

Edit for overlooked "ed" on a word.
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Posted 11/13/2023   7:46 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add revcollector to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
And if one does have an interest in the war years of other countries, the classic can be very frustrating.
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