1851-57 12c Washington

It doesn't look like plate 3 to me. Usually at least one of the corners of a pl 3 stamp will be a mess, i.e. not complete or connected. Also somewhere in the outer lines there will be a significant weak spot or gap. They just look different - less tightly drawn, so to speak. This has the tightness of a plate 1 stamp, possibly with some wear.

Moyock, It is not plate 3, it has recuts on the inner frame line in UL and LL corners. It is not recut on LR inner corner which makes it a Class "C". All of the bottom row stamps have the inner line on the LR recut. Therefore, it is not a bottom row stamp. There is no guide dot in the LR corner and a stamp above so it is not a top row stamp. That makes it a column 10 stamp. All of the right pane column 10 stamps are recut on the LR inner FL. The column 10 positions 30L - 90L are not recut on the inner frame line at LR. Looking that those 7 positions, the only one recut in UL and LL IFL is 50L1. I am pretty sure your stamp is 50L1.

I had ran into a note on corrections of the Neinken plates for the 12c. One item had me concerned, it said "a major correction for position 91R1 which was reversed with 91L1". I was trying to figure out how to verify it and should I reverse the Neinken drawings. Well, problem solved. The Neinken drawings are correct as they stand. Here is a strip of 4 from column 1 right pane, 61-71-81-91R1. If you compare the bottom stamp with 91R1 Neinken drawing, the marks in the lettering are a match.

jaxom, thanks for the sharp eye. I concur with your assessment of 50L1. I put the digital microscope on it and found that most of the signage was either faded or soaked off when the stamp was removed from it's original envelop. But the dot between the Inner Right and Outer Right frame lines off of Washingtons right ear popped as did the bend in the Lower Left inner frame line adjacent the lower left rosette.

txstamp could be correct saying that there may be some plate wear or usage wear as well.

I have a difficult time seeing the recut frame lines on the 17's. And what threw me was the break in the bottom outer frame line.

Here is an interesting cover. It was originally all connected and was split up into a block of 6 and two pairs. I took the stamps apart and recreated the original contiguous block before it was put on the cover. It is positions 67-68---77-78---85-88---97-98R1 (Siegel 1265 lot 743). Unfortunately, the perforations run through all of the guide dots except 87-88R1 because they are low guide dots.


I have 102 of 180 guide dot images so far.

The 12c Washington plating program is complete and ready for testing.
Still a lot of images and minor changes to do.

Moyock13, I have sent you a copy. Feedback appreciated.

jaxom,

Had the opportunity to compare 11R1 and 17L1 with the plating program, and they both matched up. However, the 17L1 has plating marks in the Upper Left rosette. But the plating program only says plating marks in the rosette's. Doesn't specify which one.

There was a gui in the example you provided earlier in this thread, was that supposed to be included with what you sent to me?

I'll try to get some more accomplished through this weekend.

New purchase.

Here's one that appears to be plated already - I think it says 91-R-1 but I have made no attempt to check it.

I guess since this is a 12c thread, it would be appropriate to post this cover.
I picked this up earlier this year - its the Earliest Documented Use of Scott #36.
The date of use is 7/30/1857. There is a backstamp which confirms the year.

I believe this is ex-Allen, also Berkun, and the positions are noted as: 87-88R1, 77-78R1, 67R1.

Due to the centering, this may be of marginal plating use, but you can get the better scan from Siegel sale 1316, lot 6390.

I cannot provide advice nor location of these four Washington stamps I have, but I would like to include them in this plating discussion just in case they can assist you. I also have 12 Perforated washingtons I can provide in addition to these imperforates shown below.

Waking up this thread with a strip of 4, nicely misperfed to allow the guide dots to be clearly visible.


p.s. There were a bunch of nice #17's at today's Siegel sale #9006, including a good number of pairs, mostly plated and ex-Allen.

Yes there sure were.
Regrettably I had to drive my wife to her craft show so I missed out.
Siegel doesnt do the SAN unattended bidding and I dont feel like hiring an agent.
Kewriga had a Saturday sale last week that I wasnt around for but that SAN feature saved me big time. Love unattended bidding.

Anyway, the golden oak sale last night had the largest known multiple of the 12c from the left pane of plate 3. It sold reasonably well with me as underbidder

Very nice, ZebraMan. I will plate it and see if I need any guide dot images from it. I will check that Siegel auction.

Txstamp, can you send me a link to that auction?

The plate 3 block was lot 18 here

https://www.goldenoakonlineauctions...ng=1&sale=73

Siegel sale was 9006.