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Forgery? Italy 1863 King Victor Emmanuel II

 
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Posted 11/15/2024   09:35 am  Show Profile Bookmark this topic Add Pre-1900s_Only to your friends list Get a Link to this Message
The stamp on the right looks like an very obvious forgery, but thought I'd get the opinion of the experts:

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Edited by Pre-1900s_Only - 11/15/2024 09:36 am

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Posted 11/15/2024   10:43 am  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add spain_1850 to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
Looks crude compared to the left one. Also many of the letters are shaped differently. If the only difference is suppose to be the break in the line under the Q, then I'd say it's a good bet that it's a forgery. That's just an opinion from someone who hasn't tackled Italy yet.
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Posted 11/15/2024   2:21 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Stamp Hunting to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
For my 2cents of information. I have checked my first go to sight Stamp Forgeries of the World (https://stampforgeries.com/). They don't list any known (to them) forgeries for this stamp. My next site Stamps of the world (http://catalogue.klaseboer.com/vol2...itavice2.htm ) does have a good quality photo of this stamp with the broken line. They also state that in type I, the line below the word 'QUINDICI' is close at the 'Q'. In type II, there is a break just below the 'Q'. Type I was issued on 10 February 1863. Type II was issued in April 1863. Both types were printed in sheets of 50.

I agree with you and spain_1850 that this definitely looks faked. Normally forgeries like this are well known and the stamp community works very diligently to inform everyone about it. The question remains is it or is it not a fake? I have collected many fakes over the years. I have a faked British Guyana (world's rarest stamp). US Confederates, Brazilian, and many others. All of which are well documented. The websites above do not show a stamp with the first printing. Which makes deciding if yours is real or not that much harder. I don't personally have either of them, so I am of no help on that front. If one of our members does have them, I would cordially ask that they please post them to this thread so we may investigate this further.

Your first stamp is well used and creased and distorted (probably water type damage) in places. All of which can cause it to look very different than the one on the right. The right stamp is pristine and very well detailed. Inks of this time ran/bleed often and easily. I would very much like to see a good quality photo of the first printing. I'll be waiting to see if any of our members can assist with this.
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Edited by Stamp Hunting - 11/15/2024 2:23 pm
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Posted 11/15/2024   3:13 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add rogdcam to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
The stamp on the right is a forgery. The curved back of the "C' is the easiest "tell".

https://www.italianstamps.co.uk/kin...e/index.html
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Posted 11/15/2024   5:11 pm  Show Profile Bookmark this reply Add Pre-1900s_Only to your friends list  Get a Link to this Reply
@Stamp Hunting - there are two variants of the real stamps, one with a line break below the 'Q' and one without.

@rogdcam - Thanks, the stamps on the link you provided confirms my suspicious that the one on the right is a forgery.
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